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i know we've been waiting to work out the details of how to manage this group etc. but i'm chomping at the bit over here to see some of you guys layouts.
I've never ran a true bulker believe it or not. I started out using AAS due to low t symptoms that popped up at the age of 29. For a while it was just test to alleviate those symptoms - not really hitting the gym. Eventually, I started hitting the gym and going a lil harder on the juice. Bad cycle advice turned into bad decisions, etc. We live and we learn..
So, with that being sad, I'm curious to see some of you guys bulker layouts. Here's one that I'm leaning towards for next year:
| Week | Test P | Test E | EQ | Mast E | Tbol | Mast P | HCG | Aromasin | ||
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| 1 | 150 EOD | 1000 | 1200 | 400 | 50 ED | 12.5 ED | ||||
| 2 | 150 EOD | 1000 | 1200 | 400 | 50 ED | 12.5 ED | ||||
| 3 | 150 EOD | 1000 | 600 | 400 | 50 ED | 12.5 ED | ||||
| 4 | 150 EOD | 1000 | 600 | 400 | 50 ED | 500 split | 12.5 ED | |||
| 5 | 1000 | 600 | 400 | 50 ED | 500 split | 12.5 ED | ||||
| 6 | 1000 | 600 | 400 | 50 ED | 500 split | 12.5 ED | ||||
| 7 | 1000 | 600 | 400 | 50 ED | 500 split | 12.5 ED | ||||
| 8 | 1000 | 600 | 400 | 50 ED | 500 split | 12.5 ED | ||||
| 9 | 1000 | 600 | 400 | 500 split | 12.5 ED | |||||
| 10 | 1000 | 600 | 400 | 500 split | 12.5 ED | |||||
| 11 | 1000 | 600 | 400 | 500 split | 12.5 ED | |||||
| 12 | 1000 | 600 | 400 | 500 split | 12.5 ED | |||||
| 13 | 1000 | 600 | 400 | 500 split | 12.5 ED | |||||
| 14 | 1000 | 600 | 100 EOD | 500 split | 6.25 ED | |||||
| 15 | 1000 | 600 | 100 EOD | 500 split | 6.25 ED | |||||
| 16 | 100 EOD | 1000 | 600 | 100 EOD | 500 split | 6.25 ED | ||||
| 17 | 100 EOD | 100 EOD | 500 split | 6.25 ED | ||||||
| 18 | 100 EOD | 100 EOD | 500 split | 6.25 ED | ||||||
| 19 | 100 EOD | 100 EOD | 500 split | 6.25 ED |
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if your planning on going back to natty then this cycle can be shortened several weeks. thats alot of oil, if it where me I would drop the mast and just run proviron. remember your double frontloading that EQ, you could drop off 3 weeks on the long esters and still have a great cycle.
Anoni actually prefer masteron to proviron. not that i'm closeminded to it. but i'm leaning towards the tbol kind of strongly. for me, it's one oral at a time. i had orginally considered two orals during the cycle but 4-6 weeks apart. BB brought up a good point about not letting the liver rest long enough for that. so, most likely just one at a time for me.
if your going TRT then extend this bitch till week 20, no need for short esters at the end really just taper down to TRT dose.
AnonGotcha. So, no taper with shorts. Just taper the long esters down to trt dose?
well shorts can be used for many things but in your case this cycle is designed for natty recovery, go from long to short so that you can cycle till 3 days before PCT. your not going into PCT, no contest, your not switching compounds, so I mean you can but I just taper down to TRT.
Anoni don't plan on going back natty. i've pretty much given up on that.. long story, which i pm'd you a short while back. i'm kinda just tweaking this a bit here and there. i may just build it in excel and wait until i get it finalized, so i'm not constantly updating here. but then again, i do want the feedback.
thats what I thought about natty but this is the updated version and you got HCG in there so I gave you natty advice.
AnonI was considering leaving it in there for the sake of keeping the dudes from shriveling up too badly. The hrt specialist I was dealing with prescribed it as part of this protocol for this wry reason.
well the smaller they are the bigger the pecker looks anyway, unless your picking up chicks in your tighty whitey's who cares?
Anonlol ! they get any smaller and my sack just may invert. lmao kidding...
AnonUpdated
on the fence about that mast p...
when you ride the fence... you will most likely fall off.
AnonGood point.
how did you get this cycle to lay out ilike this? I made one tried to copy paste it and it dont work.
AnonMan, I had to manually put it in. When you create a thread, there's a drop down titled "extra" in there you're allowed to create a table. Used to, you could create it in excel then Import it. That was a nice feature but its gone.
sweet I figured it out!
well thats just bullshit, im not gonna rewrite it now, but heres an idea of my 2013 run, 2014 ill start with peps and GH http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/hmm
Very nice bro i love looking at layouts like this you seem to time all the compounds to maximize synergy btwn everything i might have some questions for you in the future if thats ok??
yes of course thats what we are here for, sorry i had to take down that cycle so not so many noobs looked at it.
I understand that!! Id like to think im smart enough to know my limitations and take opportunities to learn when they present themselves nonetheless very impressive and well-planned cycle brother you are definitely advanced
i sent you a fr
AnonI just saw it. Bout to climb my fat ass out of bed and go take a look from the PC. Idk why but the layouts are distorted on the mobile version.
so anyways in that cycle layout I utilize 9 compounds and dont run 3 together till week 31 keeping receptors guessing. im not exactly advanced so one of these days ill post up in here and let some true vets rip it apart.
Anoni wouldn't say you're not exactly advanced bro. i know i'm not, but i'm learning every day. i do like the concept of switching up from long to short esters ect. they all will react differently at the receptors, so it keeps the body guessing.
TEST @ 2000MG DECA @1000MG ANADROL @100MG ED for 10WKS.
That is what i would recommend at your current level for all out mass.
5000/6000 cals pr day, hi-pro but otherwise any type of carbs for raw mass.
Nothing fancy.. just big eating and heavy gym work.... simple and effective.
Anonit'll be a minute before i work my into deca and drol. never ran either.. 2000 on test.. i can only imagine myself.. lol
I have given you less oil to inject than the cycle you list lower down thread bro ????
Anondidn't mean for it to sound that way.. wasn't referring to the amount of oils at all. more along the effect of test and not in a bad way. highest i've gone was 1250 and i swear i couldn't stay out of the bedroom.. that's really what i was getting at..
truthfully if you aint TRT then I would suggest staying away from the really high doses unless they are 4 weeks or less blasts. the fact is that having natty increases your on cycle experience, you can run a much smaller amount of gear and get better results on cycle then me considering we had everything the same, diet, training, sleep, etc. however in PCT i would have the advantage of keeping my gains easier.
Only slightly less than yuo were thinking of pinning test/eq bro... and drol is not the horror story you read about.. no gyno issues, d/bol is wicked for gyno thats why i dont use it no more, t/bol imo is useless also.
I agree on the drol and i dont get all that water that drol is so infamous for maybe this is dictated by diet by drol goes really well with me
once you have ran it enough 2000mg/w feels just like 500mg/w
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DECA .... EQ.... MAST P... pick one ... rather pick either the eq and mast OR deca.. you are talking about running a "true" bulker.. then EQ/MAST aren't part of that equation. Front load the deca and kick it off with NPP ... TBOL is good if you are trying to avoid the water retention and sides from Dbol but truth is that it doesn't replace the Dbol in the bulking cycle. TEST/DECA is a tried and true bulker...
Very true ....test deca d-bol is classic!!!! I just never have the time with upcoming competitions to let the decoanate ester do its thing which is y i lean towards nnp for a lean bulk plus i seem to stay a lil harder and more separated on the fast ester if u have the time to devote to it test deca d-bol = mass
AnonGotcha. Not really a fan of water retention, so I guess a true bulker is not really what I had in mind - more of a lean bulk.
Glad to see everyone pitching in here. Was wondering how long til we saw some action on this side of town.
I have a saying .. If you walk in the middle of the road you are going to get hit by a car. Bulk or Cut... pick one and go all out for it..
or just make one really long cycle and walk all over the road
I love long cycles with a lean bulk to start and then a cut on the last ten weeks but i dont do an all out bulk with a cut stage at the end
Anonhaha. if a car hit me, it'd be like they hit a bull dozer. lol. jk.. i ain't shit...
I would drop the var, your only giving your liver a 4 week break, not enought time to recuperate pluse the mast should be good enough provided diet is on point of course.
AnonGood point bro. To save from retyping on my phone, what are your thoughts on what I wrote below about swapping the deca for mast e and tapering with mast p at the end?
I like it, cant go wrong with mast.
personally im not extremely experienced but looking at this cycle I think for someone that has not run a bulker this is to much. drop either the EQ or the Deca and drop either the mast or the var. if you drop the EQ then id make a couple changes but if you keep the EQ then it looks good the way its layed out minus either the mast or the var. If this where my cycle id drop the deca and the var and the caber.
AnonRight on bro. Prolly should've put these details in the description: the closest I've ran to a bulk is 1000mg sust a week. Also, the only compounds I don't have experience with here are the EQ and the deca. EQ is in my next cycle, which starts tomorrow, tho.
BB raises a good point tho about the var and the tbol. Makes sense to give the liver a rest. I've ran lower doses of sust with a 6 week run of mast prior and liked the results. Diets wasn't really on point tho like it is now.
Im actually not opposed to taking out the deca. I've never ran it before and saving the cost for caber is definitely a plus. Curious to know anyone's thoughts on swapping deca for mast Enan for 16 weeks then tapering with mast p (leaving out the var). Masteron and deca are actually quite comparable in androgenic/anabolic ratios.
I like the mast for a lean bulk although it is considered a cutting drug diet dictates all i wouldnt make mast my main compound for the bulk and i would run mast p taper to harden up at the end if my bf% was n range to see the benefits i get very different results from mast an deca mast has more beneficial properties imo but like i sed everyones different and has different goals
well first thing is this section is no different then any other steroid advice section on this site, one new compound at a time!
as far as mast in place of deca? IMO that wouldnt be considered a bulking cycle, a nice lean bulk though. for me deca is way different from mast.
and for the mast-p taper? unless your coming up on a comp or something I wouldnt worry about it.
AnonGotcha. Just kicking around ideas for the future
im getting tested until next year so ive got plenty of ideas for future! :)....and a big box of juice to go with it. As much as I want to run a bad ass cycle with lots of compounds im just gonna keep it simple and take advantage of new receptors. Ill probably stay on cycle for several years once im back on but ill use the least amount possible to maintain goals.
Anonmarathon not a sprint, right. nothing wrong with that
Anonjust noticed there's no edit button in here...
i chose deca over tren bc i am not very familiar with tren, and i wasn't sure if having say 400mg/wk of tren along with EQ and lower doses of test would be too much for the receptors. knowing that androgens compete with test for the same receptor, but not knowing how that impacts EQ, i decided to go with deca.
now, i wasn't sure when would be appropriate time for starting caber. i was trying to think along the same lines as an AI and the esters release, so i came up with week 3. i'm also considering dropping the eq frontload and letting tbol do its thing. i'm open to suggestions..