Tren esters--- why tho?
So, i'm just over here wondering like, wtf is going on?
Nah really tho, why is it that its so common for folks to report having completely different side effect profiles from different tren esters? We know that the ester is simply a method of controlling release rate into the blood so that the compounds don't need to be injected every few hours, and we know they vary in weight somewhat. This 2nd part could explain why people attempting to use the same dosage of a compound have different experiences, but not to the extremes that are reported.
Even me, I started with tren ace, and almost right away I got the aggression and irritability, but only for a short time and then after that it was super good attitude and sense of well-being for months with no mood swings. My best theory was that somehow during the drug's onset is when I experience emotional sides. But that was ace.
With tren enth, I don't even notice it mentally even up to 700 mgs. I notice it in terms of my nipples leaking if my estrogen and prolactin arent completely handled, but emotionally I just feel like I did on my first 500mg test cycle. Good sense of well-being and strong sex drive. And then there's base.
With base, I get a much more manageable but still strong sense of aggression that isn't actual rage or anger;
just a type of intensity that works great for a pre-workout.
Never tried hex or tri-tren, or oral tren. Altho I did try methyl-tren but it was combined with several other aggressive esterless injectables so who knows.
Anywho, my experiences are not dose related, because I commonly use 400mg tren enth in all of my cycles, but tren ace, I've only done two shots of 70mgs in the last 3 days and woke up awake 4 times tonight, and finally just got up to write this post. And with the base, it's only 25mgs 1-2 times per week.
What are your unexplainable experiences with tren, and what are your theories about this ester deal?
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AnonMan all I know is the sides from ace are far more manageable for me.
I guarantee it’s due to blood levels, yes if you inject daily with Tren Ace you should be able to avoid that but I’d argue that Ace is metabolized so quickly that you get a giant spike then a giant drop, not to mention a more profound effect with sides subsequently. That’s my theory on it and I’m a fucking idiot so take it with a grain of salt. I use https://www.steroidplotter.com/ to try and map out my blood serum levels
Ultimately that's my theory as well. The fluctuations in blood saturation is what generates sides, especially mental/emotional. I also think that the rate of saturation intensifies or reduces the severity of certain types of effects, which resemble different side effects in some cases, but are actually just versions of the same effect.
I guess there are many ways to answer this bud, but bear in mind you are also dealing with the most mind altering compound there is too. But also think of it like this - Compare Test Base, Prop, Cyp and Deconate. They are also Test's but all feel COMPLETELY different to one another don't they. Base is like a euphoric feeling for 2 hours after, prop kinda is too given enough of it. In fact the others are too at their 24hr 36hr peaks.
Also though brands have a big part to play in it as they ALL feel different to each other. Take for example what I am currently runny - Pharmaqo ace feels punchy, clean, stimmy and the other I had to briefly use whilst waiting for another vial was the Cenzo ace - that feels lethargic, more laid back but nowhere near as good a feeling. Once you have a tren lab you really like stick with it, in fact buy loads of the fucker!!! LOL
Lol well, you undid your argument with the test esters as you went along! It does do the same thing, just in longer periods of time. I can't say test feels different based on ester for me. Tren for sure seems to, and the other argument; that we are talking about one of the most mentally intensive AAS drugs out there is a good one. Maybe the answer is just that tren in general has such a complex emotional and mental effect on each individual that simply altering the rates of saturation is enough to make some sides become or resemble others.
I know that ace for me starts off way more aggressive, smooths out quite a bit as soon as the saturation line starts to become more horizontal. This could be an effect that I just don't notice with enth, because the slower rate reduces the severity enough for it not to be detectable in most cases.
I will say tho, I can run tren enth at 400mgs year round and not even notice it, but even when tren ace is saturated, i'm aware its effecting me. The wellbeing effect is greater than that of a well balanced test only cycle and in fact, all of the positive and neutral effects of test, I get from ace but stronger.
Tren base tho, is a hard hitting aggressive, stim sort of feeling, which I could explain again, using the extremely fast rate of stabilization causing a side effect to resemble something different than it appears at a slower rate.
So maybe I answered my own question: They all DON'T have different effects technically. It is only thru the rate at which a certain reaction happens, that we get different intensity level of the same reaction spectrum.
This is ALL assuming we are talking about the same brand, because I agree it seems like different brands have somewhat different feels to them. However, logically I have to suspect its not in the production of the molecule or the ester, but in the accuracy of the label.
Yeh I realised that after you pointed it out - That's what happens when you are fading fast trying to think on a tren Blood sugar crash and can't think straight after training LMFAO
Yeh what I meant to say was Base feels like a CNS stimmer, you feel instantly strong and up for anything. Prop is kind of a toned down feeling of that and Cyp even more - but what I meant was they all have that 'Great testosterone feeling once they are peaking. Each provides great energy and power but the Base is more Intense, BUT in my opinion is crap for translating into building muscle as its hormone isn't present for long enough.
For sure. Bro about that tren crash. It seems every single day, even when I get 8+ hours of sleep in a night, if I am at home working on my computer, I ALWAYS end up in bed for at least 1-3 hours, in a semi coma. It's comfortable feeling really, but also super annoying because sometimes I wanna have the spark to go get my training in around that time, or to prep my meals or whatever may be. I also notice i'm totally fine until my first meal. I suspect when the meal is carbless then the crash is less severe, but I need those carbs for my session later in the day.
Not sure if I have a question specifically, but what is your experience with it?