On cycle frequency for growth
Hey everybody. I am embarking on my first cycle now. Id like to talk training. I know there are plenty of posts about training on vs off and they all boil down to: Depends on your goals. I believe my inquiry is a little different and could warrant specific opinions and possibly facts. Lets find out!
So, I have been training for over 6 years consistently without any AAS. In that time weight lifting became a passion. I habitually do research on training, diet, specific lifts, form variations, professional trainer approaches, pro BB approaches and for the last year, gear.
I know its all largely individualized. You have to lift and eat to grow. You have to eat less to shrink. Outside this the details are pretty much up for debate and always will be. For the sake of argument lets assume diet is in line and the cycle is a typical first time 500mg test e cycle and its being done properly. The cycle itself is not in question so I dont think the details are necessary for a person to feel comfortable giving their opinion IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE because training is the topic. Not the cycle.
I have concluded that a frequency of 2x a week or more (if structured well) is ideal of natties when training for hypertrophy training. My training is currently this:
[body parts listed in order of priority during workout]
PPL1 PPL2
Pull 1 - Lat/bicep/upper/rear delt <---Horizontal focus
Push 1 - Chest/shoulder/tricep <---BB chest day
Legs 1 - Hamstring/calf/quad <---Deadlift day
(optional rest)
Pull 2 - Bicep/upper/lat/rear delt <--- vertical focus
Push 2 - Shoulder/chest/tricep <--- BB shoulder press day
Legs 2 - Quad/calf/hamstring <--- Back squat day
REST for sure
So basically my question revolves around the extended protein synthesis while on cycle and the increased recovery rate. So which is it?
Less body parts per workout at a higher volume, but at the cost of frequency?
Higher frequency split (such as the one above) or even greater for more opportunities to recover?
Again the question is which of these approaches do you personally believe is better for the goal of size gains while on cycle assuming the calories are in place and everything outside of training is correct.
Is it just another case of "It all depends on what works for you"? Of course it is. But if you do have an opinion that leans one way or the other lets hear it!
Thanks for your time everyone. Stay Buff.
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basskiller89The biggest I ever got was using this split, taking days off when needed based around sudden expectancies life throws at you:
Chest
Back
Legs
Arms
Shoulders
Off
Off
I really get a lot out of changing my rep ranges. As you said tho you would also have tho change you training split, which I think is a good thing. It’s very easy to overcomplicatebbecause your calori needs will change and you increase volume. You know what they say tho, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Play with your diet and training regimen until you find what works best for you. Gains are made in the kitchen, so make sure to keep a detailed log with food and workout info. Good luck brother
Wow, just had a brain freeze. U deffinately have a way with words. Dont over complicate it. U say u've been training for years. If so, u will know exactly what is working or not working for u. Keep ur diet in check, workout, sleep, and keep stress to a minimum... ENJOY and learn from experience... good luck brother..
Thanks man. Even if i did get a bunch of specific answers it would still boil down to what you said. I will likely build two, six week splits and use them both during this first cycle and gauge the results from there. One will be the traditional bro split and the other will be a frequency based split.
It's always good to have a well thought out plan. Planning is probably the best part of a cycle next to seeing results. It's such a personal thing, ever one has their own unique system. If ur diet is on point also, u shld have a very successful cycle. Be sure to keep ur plans flexible as diet and training conditions will change. I myself use a traditional split but then I get bored and change it up, Or I stress a muscle system too much and have to work around it while it heals. I tend to focus more on my diet than my workouts. My Workouts seem to just fall into place. Theres times I walk though the door at my gym and change my whole plan, on cycle or not. Anyway u seem to have it covered, keep us updated w ur results..
Thanks for the tip man feeling confident in being flexible will be super useful. I've definitely used a certain accessory lift that feels really great one week and not good at all the week after. Rather than spending 15 minutes on an exercise that isn't working I would rather allow myself to try something else and get as good of a contraction as possible.
''You have to eat less to shrink''? Straight bullshit if you say things like that your not informed about nutrition and diet ...
The details of subjects outside of the question were made clear not to be in question. If you need me to elaborate: A caloric deficit is a good strategy for weight loss.
Feels like karma seeking at the expense of another. Tough to draw conclusions about another persons knowledge base in cases like this. I agree "eat less to shrink" isn't a clear explanation for the process i'm talking about but the post isn't about diet and that was made clear within the post. Might want to consider asking the person more before taking a jab at their understanding in cases like this. I get that some people say outright dumb shit, but this wasn't a case that warranted whatever it is you thought you were doing.
Stay buff brotha.
Quite a pompous bloviation.
This is what you said -in a very matter of fact kind of way.
Bull shit, someone who has been training for over 6 years and habitually does research on training & diet, ought to know that increasing metabolism and burn can make you shrink without eating less. It's a balance between what goes in, and what goes out.
And, there is no debate about it. Never will be.
Feels like butt hurt. Rather than rereading your comment to see how others were reading it. You stuck with what you dictated from the tape in your head. I get it, I rush sometimes my keyboard can't keep up with my thoughts and I misstate something.
In the second paragraph above, the very convoluted 3rd sentence basically states that the comment was made in the "prelude" portion of your post, therefore is unimportant. Truth is, the way it was stated, it was outright dumb shit and a critique/challenge to your "debatable fact" is warranted.
Rather that trying to intimidate and impress with your puffery, you should have just owned up to your error and simply post, "You know, you're right, that was dumb shit. what I meant to say was..."
Within the context of the post. it is, in its own right, Straight bullshit. And, if you did not catch that when you were called out, then you are not informed about nutrition and diet.
I get myself in these situations sometimes. I gotta fucking relaaaaax. I sometimes have a difficult time interacting with men that challenge me.
edit: My bad, bundlz.
I see that you're right. What I said didn't illustrate what I was trying to say and appeared to be an entirely different and inaccurate point.
I agree with your suggestion on how I could have handled it.
"Eat less to shrink" sounds silly. I get it. I was asking for it. I'll spend more time making sure the point i'm intending to make comes out right even if its not the topic i'm aiming to discuss.
Thanks for the check.
You said it yourself "It all depends on what works for you'; do more of it and stop doing what doesn't work! Sam mentioned it below. Change your workout frequently to confuse the muscles.
Mixing heavy weight with low reps with light weight on high reps seems to really give me a boost if I were to point out one thing.
Pretty much spell it out for you here.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise/ba...
It's both. Change your routine every six weeks max.