posted Thu, 03/28/2013 - 04:36
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I'm thinking about getting some of Liquid Clen 30mL 200mcg/mL. My questions are how does this help with loss of body fat?
can it be taken by it self or should it be paired with a certain product?
what are the pros/cons?
What is the proper dosage for this liquid Clen?
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I've used Phentermine, Dithyproprion, ECA, Clen, T3, DNP, and although they all worked I kept finding myself in the same position a few weeks after coming off them because my diet never changed. Getting your diet in order is a priority because you'll A you'll not lose what you expect on them, and B you'll put it straight back on after you come off.
I had a bad experience with clen.had severe chest pains on the left side after 4 days of usage and I had only reached 80mcg ed.I've also tried the ECA stack and T3 and found the t3 to b the best for me-no sides at 100mg and I lost 4kgs in 3 weeks with a low carb diet and eod cardio
sgtstedankoThis is just my opinion, brother. I think we need to get priorities in order. Instead of worrying about compounds, & other cutting agents, to assist in fat loss. Get your diet/nutrition on dial, most Ricky tick. You can run any & all, & yes they can help. But, if your diet sucks, so will your results. Imho...
I follow ya. I was also interested in its endurance boosting possibilities.
sgtstedankoi guess im old school. I'd rather run a good easy stack. Imho. The heart risks of running clen, outweigh the reward. It's been my experience w/it, that I couldn't notice any performance enhancing aspects of it. Diet is where It's at, brother. As far as performance enhancing. Personally, I like A good dose of EQ (for me: 400-600), w/a dollup of any test (for me: 250-350mg). That, w/a food cal deficit would give you the benefits, & produce the results you're looking for... As long as your intensity is there. Have a good one...
Guys feel free to add or subtract to/from this. Offer help to the dude.
Drink 16 oz ice cold water every 2 hours. Green tea supps after workouts, or w/lunch, daily.
Any veggies will do. The ones listed for meals & snacks, are just what we have.
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Day 1
Pre-workout: creatine, etc.
OR
1 cup OJ
1-2 scoop whey isolate protein shake
(or even 1 scoop pre & post)
Always Made w/water. Ice cubes for consistency
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Breakfast:
1/2 cup Kashi cinnamon harvest cereal OR Grape nuts OR shredded wheat cereal. OR quinoa
1 cup milk (goats)
(1 spoonful of casein protein powder mixed into milk)
1 cup fresh or frozen blueberries
1 egg
6 egg whites
1.5 Tbsp ground hemp seeds, flaxseeds OR salba
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Snack:
1 cup vegetable sticks (celery & carrots)
1 Tbsp all natty peanut OR almond butter
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Lunch:
Salad
w/1 cup lettuce, 1/4 cup tomato
1/2 cup green beans
6 oz albacore tuna
2 Tbsp low fat dressing (choice)
8 black olives
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Snack:
1 Apple
1 cup veggie sticks
1/2 cup low fat cottage cheese
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Dinner:
1 ear of corn on the cob (brushed w/olive oil)
12 cherries
1 cup milk (goat)
1/2 cup grilled veggies: red peppers, zucchini, mushrooms, tomatoes
6 oz skinless dark meat chicken, grilled w/lemon or lime juice
8 olives
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Day 2
Pre-workout: creatine, etc.
OR
1 cup OJ
1-2 scoop whey protein shake
(OR 1 scoop before & after)
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Breakfast:
Fruit & yogurt...
English muffin & egg sandwich...
1/2 whole wheat/grain English muffin
1 cup Greek yogurt
1&1/4 cup fresh strawberries
1 egg hard boiled
6 egg whites: hard (save yolks for later snacks; just not all @ one)
1.5 Tbsp ground hemp seeds, flaxseeds OR salba
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Snack:
Sliced tomato & onion
2 ounces cream cheese
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Lunch:
Large salad w/spinach, tomato, grilled eggplant, & roasted red peppers
6 oz skinless white meat chicken boob, grilled w/lemon OR lime juice
1 Tbsp each of Mct oil & balsamic vinegar OR can instead use Fat free dressing (for salad)
2 tsp olive oil for roasted veggies
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Snack:
1 Apple
8 oz tomato juice (organic) OR a V-8
2 oz fat free cheese
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Dinner:
1/2 cup cooked whole grain pasta (of choice)
1&1/4 cups strawberries
1 cup milk (goat)
(1 spoonful casein protein powder mixed in)
1/2 cup ratatouille (over pasta)
Salad w/1 cup lettuce, 1/4 cup tomato, 1/4 cup cucumber
6 oz lean ground beef (add to ratatouille)
2 Tbsp (1 each mct & balsamic vinegar, for salad dressing)
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Day 3
Pre-workout: creatine, etc.
OR
1 cup OJ
1-2 scoop whey shake
(OR 1 scoop before & after)
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Breakfast
1 slice whole grain bread
1 cup fat free cottage cheese (on bread, sprinkle w/cinnamon & brown sugar)
5 oz freshly squeezed OJ w/heavy pulp
1 egg (sunny side up)
6 egg whites (cooked same)
1.5 Tbsp ground hemp seeds, flaxseeds OR salba
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Snack
1 Apple
Sliced radishes w/
4 Tbsp low fat ranch dressing
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1 cup Chinese veggies, stir fried w/red peppers, garlic, onions, & fresh ginger
6 oz scallops, stir fry
2 Tbsp mct oil (for stir frying)
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Snack
1 cup diced red bell pepper
1/2 cup low fat cottage cheese
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Dinner:
1/2 cup black beans (added to Chile)
1 anjou pear
1 cup milk (goat)
(1 spoonful casein protein mixed into milk)
1/2 cup chopped cooked tomatoes, w/chile seasoning
5 oz edamame (crumbled in Chile)
1/8 avocado (diced)
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Day 4
Pre-workout: creatine, etc
OR
1 cup OJ
1-2 scoop whey isolate shake
(OR 1 scoop before & after)
............
Breakfast:
1 cup fresh or frozen raspberries
1 cup milk
(Can instead use French toast, recipe @ bottom)
1 slice whole grain bread
1 egg
6 egg whites
1.5 Tbsp ground hemp seeds, flaxseeds OR salba
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Snack:
1 Apple
1 cup celery sticks
2 Tbsp natty peanut OR almond butter
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Lunch:
Fajitas: combine ingredients
1 tsp hot sauce OR red pepper flakes
1/2 cup sauteed peppers & onions
2 Tbsp spicy salsa
6 oz grilled chicken boob (grilled w/lime or lemon juice)
2 Tbsp olive OR mct oil (cooking)
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Roll salmon OR Lox, cream cheese, veggies inside lettuce.
Lettuce leaves, onion, tomato
6 oz Lox Or smoked salmon
2 Tbsp cream cheese
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Snack:
1/2 cup diced tomatoes & mushrooms
2 oz fat free mozzarella
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Dinner:
1 slice rye bread
12 grapes
1 cup milk (goat)
(1 spoonful casein protein mixed in)
1/2 cup chopped veggies (cucumbers, carrots, onions; mixed into tuna)
6 oz albacore tuna
2 Tbsp honey mustard (mixed into tuna, etc)
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Day 7:
Pre-workout: creatine, etc.
OR
1 cup OJ
1-2 scoop whey shake
(OR 1 scoop before & after workouts)
Made w/water, ice cubes (always w/water)
.............
Breakfast:
1/2 cup Kashi cinnamon harvest OR shredded wheat OR grape nuts cereal. OR quinoa
1 cup milk (goat)
(1 spoonful casein mixed into milk)
1 cup raspberries
1 egg (hard)
6 eggs (hard, for egg salad; save yolks for later snacks)
1.5 Tbsp ground hemp seeds, flaxseeds OR salba
1 Tbsp Honey mustard (egg salad)
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Snack:
8 oz tomato juice (organic) or V8
20 unsalted almonds
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Lunch:
Sliced tomato & lettuce (for sandwich)
1/2 cup radishes, celery, & carrots
6 oz skinless chicken boob, grilled w/lime or lemon juice
2 Tbsp fat free Ranch (dipping)
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Snack:
1 Apple
1 cup celery sticks
3/4 cup fat free ricotta (you can put low sodium dry onion soup mix into ricotta to make a tastier dip)
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Dinner:
1 small whole grain dinner roll
1 Orange
1 cup milk (goat)
(1 spoonful casein mixed into milk)
Salad (w/1 cup spinach, 1/4 cup tomato, 1/4 cup cucumber)
6 oz salmon (poached)
2 Tbsp red-fat Caesar dressing
OR personally, I like 1 Tbsp each mct oil & balsamic or flavored vinegar.
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Personally, I like to do it this way.
Omega-3: 600+mg epa & 400+dha
CLA
Low cal Protein bars (snacks)
Calcium/magnesium supps w/at least 100% daily value each. Take w/vita d
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Whey: Post workouts.
OR, 2 chocolate milks post workout.
Pre-workout:
l-arganine
l-glutamine
Beta-alanine
Creatine hydrochloride
hmb
Casein protein shake: Before bed only on workout nights. &/OR when less active...
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For Creatine: (I like hydrochloride) everyday
Multi-vitamin: (My favs are GNC energy Off cycles. & Gaspari nutrition anavite, on cycle)
Jay robb Whey isolate is a very good one (but expensive, as all iso is. That's why I only have 1 per)
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Easy snack bars:
8 servings:
The what:
• 2+ medium banana/s, mashed
• 1/2 cup all-natural chunky peanut butter
• 2 cup all-natural muesli or similar high fiber/protein cereal.
1 scoop protein concentrate powder mixed in
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The how to:
Combine banana, protein powder, peanut butter, and muesli in a medium bowl; mix well.
Spoon mixture onto a sheet of wax (or parchment) paper; roll into a cigar shape. Freeze for about 90 minutes, or until firm.
Cut bar in eighth's to make 8 servings; eat each serving whole or slice into pieces.
May be eaten frozen, or thawed in the microwave for 10 seconds.
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French toast awesomeness!!!
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The what:
2 Tbsp butter
1/4 cup black jack (Daniel's)
divided 1/4 cup brown sugar
1 tsp maple sugar
1/8 cup crushed almonds & walnuts
2 ripe but still firm enough bananas, sliced into 1/2"
1 cup milk
3 eggs
1 tsp ground cinnamon
1 heaping Tbsp vanilla extract
1+Tbsp vanilla bean ice cream
8 slices sturdy whole-grain bread (older bread works best)
The How to:
Heat the butter in a medium nonstick pan over medium heat. Add 2 tablespoons of the bourbon and all of the brown sugar & maple sugar, stirring to dissolve. Cook for 1 to 2 minutes until bubbly. Add walnuts and cook for an additional 2 minutes; add the bananas and heat through. Stir in 1/4 cup milk and keep warm.
Whisk together the remaining 3/4 cup milk, eggs, cinnamon, vanilla, and the remaining 2 tablespoons bourbon. Now, Heat a large cast-iron skillet over medium heat (never over high heat). When the skillet is warm, spray with a coating of nonstick cooking spray. Working 2 pieces at a time, dip the bread into the bourbon-egg mixture. Let soak for 30 sec-1min. Flip each piece over and soak the other side for the same amount of time.
Add the bread to the hot skillet. Cook until golden brown on the bottom, about 3 minutes. Flip and cook for an additional 2 to 3 minutes, until both sides are golden brown and slightly crispy. Serve with the warm banana topping & a spoonful of vanilla bean ice cream.
Makes 4 servings : )
It's ok, if after having these, your girl screams MY name in bed. I do
I remember the first time I took Clen, I was so jittery and had insomnia at first, even while dosing it in the morning, that I only took it EOD. Eventually my body built up a tolerance to the sides and I was able to slowly increase my dose and take it every day. After a Clen only cycle I decided to add T3 because they work synergisticly, but just remember the more shit you add the more of a risk you are taking. They both raise your BP and body temp, so at higher doses they could cause problems for some, others don't like them because the sides are too harsh. If you do decide to use them, do your proper research, so you don't screw your body up, dosing and cycling are important. Also they will be more effective with a good diet and excersize, especially daily cardio, but you should be doing that now anyways.
LaTTTimer99Clenbuterol always has been and probably always will be my favorite drug. I've been using it on and off for over a decade and I love the stuff. IMO though, I would stay away from liquid Clen. I have done maybe a dozen different brands / kinds of Clen and have never had consistent, good experiences with liquid Clen.
If you can locate some, the old-school REAL Spiropent (I used to buy it in Rosarito, Mexico) in 20-pack foil-punch tabs is the way to go. The problem is nowadays there are so many fakes.
Anyhow, back to your question - and keep in mind we are all different, and our bodies respond differently to the same compound, but Clen is very effective as a cutter, because it preserves your muscle mass, and if taken long enough, becomes mildly anabolic - Clen is a bronchiodialator (increases your body's uptake and ability to utilize oxygen more effectively), AND it also very slightly increases your body temperature. I find it very effective for cutting abdominal fat, and I like it as a pre-workout stimulant as well. But I'm a crackhead for Clen bro. I combine it with Ephedrine or Ephedra, and wow that shit together will have you at the top of your game if you play sports or practice, and super-setting in the gym, cardio, etc.
For the first few weeks you will be uncomfortable. Hand tremors, sweating, finding it warm even when it's actually cold, and in general feeling pretty fucking tweaked. Those subside soon enough, and for me anyways, eventually it becomes a very effective performance enhancer.
Opinions differ, but typically you start at a 10 or 20 mcg / day dose (take morning or pre-cardio) for 2 days on, then take 1 or 2 days off. Then repeat. 2nd go-round, up your dose by 10 or 20 mcg / day and follow the same pattern - 2 on 2 off, repeat, then up dose again. Most guys use it at the end of their cycle, but I used to run it year-round - after 3 months or so it becomes anabolic - hardens you up, turns you into a machine in the gym, and will even add a bit of lean muscle.
I just posted 2 new forum topics where I cut & pasted my 2 diets - check 'em out if you'd like - the one that will get you the most-dramatic fat loss is the keto diet, but those suck ass and require self-discipline.
Anyhow, IMO stay away from liquid (notorious for being hard to measure - you need an insulin / HGH syringe and even then...) - any questions hit me or Sgt. up. He knows his shit.
Your other question about combining it with other products - if it's your first time you might just want to run it solo so you know exactly what is doing what. Once you are experienced with it, ah shnap either T3 or T4 - can't remember it's been awhile, but people combine those 2 often. The other drug is a thyroid manipulator that I cannot remember enough about to speak on.
Dig, drive, and cut bro!
Hey bro i just sent you a friend request you mind if i ask you a few things about clen in a PM? cheers bud.
@ sgtstedanko. Thanks I appreciate the info. I won't take something until I ask and research it thoroughly.
Can it really help in endurance exercises?
Yes, it works like an asthma medication by opening the lungs, even for regular people.
If it doesn't increase endurance then why would all these athletes be getting caught using clen in sports like cycling, swimming, running ect...
"As a β2 sympathomimetic, clenbuterol has also been used as a performance-enhancing drug. Cyclist Alberto Contador of Spain was banned for two years from professional cycling after testing positive for the drug at the 2010 Tour de France.[4] He was later stripped of the 2010 title of the Tour de France and the 2011 title of the Giro d'Italia.[5] However, CAS found that Contador did not take clenbuterol as a performance-enhancing drug, but probably tested positive due to a contaminated food supplement.[6]
American swimmer Jessica Hardy tested positive at the US trials in 2008. She served a one-year suspension, having claimed she unknowingly took the drug in a contaminated food supplement. Former New York Mets clubhouse employee Kirk Radomski admitted in his plea deal to distributing clenbuterol to dozens of current and former Major League Baseball players and associates.[7]
After finishing fourth in the K-2 1000 m event at the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing, Polish sprint canoer Adam Seroczyński was disqualified for taking this drug; and Chinese cyclist Li Fuyu tested positive for it at the Dwars door Vlaanderen race in Belgium on March 24, 2010.[8]
In 2006, San Francisco Giants pitcher Guillermo Mota, while a member of the New York Mets, received a 50-game suspension after testing positive for clenbuterol.[9] In 2012, MLB announced they were again suspending Mota for 100 games due a positive test for clenbuterol.[10]
In 2010, St. Louis Cardinals minor-league shortstop Lainer Bueno received a 50-game suspension for the 2011 season as a result of testing positive for clenbuterol.[11]
In 2011, players of the Mexico national football team were found with clenbuterol in their bloodstreams, but were acquitted by WADA after they claimed the clenbuterol came from contaminated food. FIFA has also claimed 109 players from the Under-17 World Cup in Mexico tested positive for this drug, because Mexican meat is contaminated.[12]
In 2012, Canadian weightlifter Nick Roberts received a two-year sanction after a urine sample tested positive for clenbuterol.[13]
In 2013, Mexican boxer Erik Morales was suspended for 2 years after testing positive for clenbuterol."
Wow. Thank you for the info. How long does it stay in the body?
sgtstedankoIn theory. Yes. In my experience, no. Imho, only one compound really helps w/endurance exercise... Because, I'm bored. I'm going to come up w/a warp speed diet, I want you to follow to a T. Until you reach your goal. I'll pm it to you, when I'm done typing it in my phone, brother.
For me it did. I googled clenbuterol and copied and pasted this. It might explain a lil something.
"Clenbuterol, marketed as Spiropent and Ventipulmin, is a sympathomimetic amine used by sufferers of breathing disorders as a decongestant and bronchodilator. People with chronic breathing disorders such as asthma use this as a bronchodilator to make breathing easier."
and this
"Clenbuterol is a β2 agonist with some structural and pharmacological similarities to epinephrine and salbutamol, but its effects are more potent and longer-lasting as a stimulant and thermogenic drug. It causes an INCREASE IN AEROBIC CAPACITY, central nervous system stimulation, and an increase in blood pressure and oxygen transportation. It increases the rate at which body fat is metabolized while increasing the body's BMR. It is commonly used for smooth muscle-relaxant properties. This means it is a bronchodilator and tocolytic."
Ht: 6'0
Weight: 240
Bf%: 18% and lowering
If I were you I would first do more research but I personally have had decent success with clen and a low dose of T3. I use purchase peptides liquid clen and start out super low like maybe around 40-50mcg and work your way up slowly when sides begin to wear off. For example start out at 40mcg and by the end of week 2 I might be using 80-100mcg. Use clen 2 weeks on 1 week off then repeat. I personally use 25-50mcg of T3 every day while using clen then discontinue use of T3 on your week off from clen. The clen will make you feel extremely jittery especially with higher doses too soon and for me gives me a endurance boost like I can run way longer on the treadmil. I also get extreme cramps while using clen. The T3 will speed up your thyroid and might make you feel a lil hotter but just like anything els don't use too much and for too long without time off.
clen like any other chem will only work if your diet is already proper.
it does help with the aid in fat loss.
i prefer stacking it was t3.
pros: increased energy, decreased appetite, increased fat loss
cons: irritability, shakes, fatigue, cramps
start at like 20mcg work your way up. i wouldnt go over 100mcg if its your first time using.
get some potassium for the cramps if it is a problem.
sgtstedankoShepard, I'd hold off on the clen. Personally, I'd go for diet. Dial that in. Afterwards, you can worry about clen. It's my personal opinion that t3, clen, dnp, etc. Are really only needed when you get down to single digits. If you're already there. Then I can see maybe a case for em. But, they're unneeded, imho. You can accomplish anything, w/dedication, proper nutrition, & hard work. No shortcuts... How many cals per day, are you thinking? How much do you weigh x 10, to burn fat on cycle. Imo
Any help would be appreciated.