posted Wed, 03/27/2013 - 22:12
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12 week cycle.
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12 weeks of test e 250mgs twice a week. shot on Monday 2nd shot on Tuesday.
Ai: liquid stane
Pct: armidex and clomid.
Stats
Ht: 6'0
Weight: 240
Bf%: 18%
Prior history on AAS:
One cycle for 10 weeks with test prop over 6 months ago.
I'm not doing this as of yet. I'm going to drop some bf. Hopefully do this cycle in the next 2-4 months. Please give me some feedback.
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I'm pretty sure arimidex and clomid counteract bro. My suggestion is use either stane and clomid or stane and nolvadex. Arimidex also effects you lipid profiles negatively whereas stane doesn't. liquad stane is really effective I would just stick with that throughout the cycle and post cycle regardless of the fact that it doesn't counteract with any SERMs. Nolvadex is also more effective than clomid. Not bashing your compound choices, I just think theres a lot of old bro science circulating that misinforms people about what the right compounds are.
@ dabuddha669 let me get this straight. I should stick with liquid stane through out my cycle and on my pct I'm better off with novaldex?
absolutely. serms and A.I have been shown to counteract eachother except for the case of exemestane (aramosin). Clomid is also not nearly as effective as nolvadex and has worse side effects.
What side effects are possible with clomid?
not sure what you're getting at exactly, but clomid and nolva are somewhat different compounds. removing "bro science" from the equation, which is something that i pride myself on being able to do:
clomid's role in the recovery process is to stimulate gonadatropic hormone synthesis by inhibiting negative feedback. nolva's role is to block e2 at the receptor level. yes, both are SERMs, but they exhibit individual effects and play very different physiological roles.
your AI's are also completely separate from SERMs... aromasin is a type 1 inhibitor, whereas adex is a type 2. both do a great job at regulating estrogen synthesis via aromatase inhibition. the primary difference between the two is in the type of bond that is formed with the enzyme. type 1 inhibitors form an irreversible bond. this means that the bond is not broken when the drug is discontinued or wears off. as a result, the enzyme is permanently bound and cannot regain its competitive role in e2 synthesis. type 2 inhibitors, on the other hand, lose their bond when the drug wears off or is discontinued. as a result, the bound enzyme is released back into circulation to regain competition for synthesis of e2 via testosterone conversion (aromatization).
there are other pro's and con's with these inhibitors. one thing that does not exist on this list is any inhibitors (type 1 or 2) counteracting a SERM. infact, they do not counter them at all. the issue with adex is that it can cause e2 rebound during or after pct because the bound enzyme are released to resume their roles.
as for the the "liquid exemestane"... the body knows no difference whether the drug is introduced in the form of a capsule, tablet, or liquid suspension. all three forms are treated the same regardless.
here's a little more info on AI's, in case you're curious...
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/ai-as-needed-...
@dossier31. Read it all of it. Thanks for the info. So I it safe to stick with stane and clomid then?
You need stane, clomid, and nolvadex for pct bro. Browse thru the pct section. Good articles in there
Do I need to take one of them while on cycle?
just the exemestane. start at 12.5mg EOD and watch for sides. if you can take bloodwork, have it tested at week 6 or 7 of the cycle to see if the dose needs to be tweaked. e2 should be between 10-50
Thanks for the input. I will use adex on my cycle. Add nolvadex to my pct. I will spread out my dosages mon-thurs.
I won't do this cycle until I have defectively lowered my body fat. About what percentage should I get it down to? 12%?
Should HCG be somewhere in here? I want to minimize the damaged done to them.
Should i just stick to test prop? Is it me but I felt it painful after the injection. Nothing I can handle but does that happen often?
looks good bro. i'd get the bodyfat a bit more down as well but ur not that far off to a good level to start. i'd space the days in between on the injections. maybe a Monday or Thursday or something instead of back to back. you want to use the adex during your cycle not for pct. and id add some nolva in with the clomid. in the meantime, id look into the pct and AI's a bit more so you can get a better understanding of their uses and how to properly use them. good luck bro ! !
i think that's a good cycle for you. one thing you should do different is split your weekly does as close to 3.5 days apart as possible. so, monday and thursday. this way you get a more even release.
i like to dose my 'stane at 12.5 ED. that's just what works best for me, tho. here's some more info on AI's:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/ai-as-needed-...
in the meantime, focus on your diet and get that bf down some more. fewer sides with lower bf.
Your doses def need to be spread out a little more my man. Try MOnday and Thursday. No HCG while on cycle?
most importat is the diet. get that TDEE calculated, subtract 500 cals fro it and you have your basic number of cals for your diet. from there you will need to get your macros in line. usual 40/40/20 is whats common. but you have to make it work for yourself.
If you want to cut why not use prop again and a shorter cycle?
but honestly you should really think about getting your bf down a bit before you cycle. just my 2 cent man
for this sort of cycle, hcg isn't necessarily needed. entirely up to him though. i run my gear year 'round, so atrophy is an issue no matter what i'm running. for him, prolly won't see any shrinkage until 8 weeks or so, if at all. once again, entirely up to him. won't hurt either way.
it will cause estrogen to rise more with hcg in the mix than without. which means that he will need to keep a closer eye on his e2 levels with an extra blood test during cycle.