Bulking and Cutting and Cycling
Hey guys,
Biggest question is when do you bulk and cut in reference to your cycles???
I know that some of you pro's are carved any day of the week all year long.
How high do you guys let your bf get on a bulk?
Newbie here. I'm running my first test e cycle and eating like a horse (5k/day/clean food) and watching my subtle (hard earned) abs turn into a swollen belly. I'm comitted to a bulk cycle- I want the most gains possible out of these 12 weeks so I don't want to play around too much macros -- aka I don't want to be so concerned about some fat gain that I don't maximize the lean mass gain.
I also understand that a proper pct diet means having high calories-- anything to avoid stress during this period.
Question is-
Assuming my pct goes smooth and that my time off = time on. How radically can I cut diet after pct without risking loosing gains? Should I run a long bulk (on and then off cycle) and plan on cutting during cycle 2 when I have gear to support muscle mass?
With my own body I've learned some about bulking and cutting as a natty lifter but this is a new game.
Any good calculations you guys use?
If I figure my new lean muscle mass after pct and eat a calorie deficient diet (with high protein) will I cut up and maintain the newly gained muscle?
31, 190lbs, bf 13ish, 6.1'
ps Sorry for the ramble probably could have said all of this in half the words.
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Im about to start cutting on-cycle for the first time, and Ive spent the last two weeks researching and building my nutrition plan. Ive been at about 6500-7000 cals for the past 8 weeks: 600g C 400g P 200g F or there-abouts. Obviously swap out some of the carbs on non training days but it has pretty well been that, and its worked well.
Alot of research (I sit on my ass at a computer for 12hr shifts several times a week) has pointed me to a diet that is roughly equal protein and fat but has a low carb intake - a 4:4:1 is what I worked out (a little more extreme than recommended, due to AAS support) and Im transitioning to that this week. The idea is you do a mild carb bump in the morning (after cardio) to start metabolism and then feed fat and protein with minimal carbs for then next ten hours or so. This apparently encourages the body to burn fat for energy throughout the day when supported with BCAA in high quantities, and shouldnt have a detrimental effect on lean muscle mass (and this is for the folks of the non AAS world who arent enjoying test levels of 2000+). Anyway, the carbs come in around training time. I train in the evening, so about 1.5hrs prior, I dump about 80g complex carbs, and then during the 45m post workout window, not only get your protein in, but about 50g of simple carbs (I like bananas added to my shake) as you, if youre smart, have been doing for your bulk anyway.
My maintenance calorire requirement is around 4500, and Ive got this plan worked out to slightly over 4000.
Its just a different way of carb cycling on a shorter time frame (hrs instead of days).
sgtstedankoI'd go balls to walls. Either, bulk or cut the fuck up. Bulk, don't worry about a little bf, It's inevitable, bro. My buddy's getting some savage results cutting, using this diet book he got called (8 hour diet). I'm going to have to try it, see if I can't look like Rocky 1. I wouldn't utilize it, off cycle though. I would think you'd lose muscle mass fasting like that...
I am not a vet to AAS as I only have one cycle under my belt, as a matter of fact I just finished my PCT. I think that after your PCT your body will react the same as when you were training natty. Someone correct me if I am wrong but, after PCT you SHOULD be close to if not at your baseline test levels, so dieting will be the same as if you were training natty, soooo If you have a caloric deficit (cutting) diet you will loose muscle and fat and if you carry on a caloric surplus (bulking) diet then you will gain more muscle and fat. I am a firm believer that you can not cut and gain muscle at the same time...unless your on gear.
Now If you want to MAINTAIN your muscle and cut fat you should look into carb cycling, I've heard great things about it.
Hope that helps bud, and like I said I am not a vet, that is just my reasoning... shooting ideas at you lol