+ 1 Should I dial it down a notch...
I've got my gear in hand but after being on this site for a while now and doing some reading I'm thinking maybe I should just stick to the "basics" but kind of torn. I have a 10-12 week cycle worth of test e and deca and while I've done cycles of deca before, I'm thinking maybe it's not really necessary and considering I've got a birthday next month and I'm in my mid-forties...probably don't need to be putting more shit in my body than is "necessary." I've got Asian blood in me so I'm lucky to have a good metabolism, but it also makes it a little harder to gain a lot of extra size from food/weights alone. So I just want to put on another solid 12-15 lbs (6-8kilos) of muscle that I can actually retain.
Age: 43 soon
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 203 as of five mins ago
BF: Not 100% sure as it's been a while but I'd have to say no more than 11%
Diet will be roughly 3,500 calories per day during cycle (with my schedule it's hard to fit in much more)
I've done six cycle in the past, first two were test only (long ass time ago though). The others were stacked with only one of the following compounds each cycle:
- Winny
- Dbol
- Deca
(I don't think AI's and PCT are relevant here unless someone has a question about it)
Don't get me wrong, I liked the results that deca/test cycle gave me but like I said, if I don't need the extra shit in my body then I'd rather do without. Forgot to mention that I take 2iu per day of HGH. Obviously it is for the long-term effects as opposed to the short-term benefits but I'm not sure if that small of an amount would have much an effect on the equation or not.
Appreciate any input, mates.
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You may want to incease calories by 500 within the first two weeks of cycle to meet ur goals. And, then max the calories to 4500 toward the cycles end. I say that becuz of what u said about your metabolism.
Provi is an awesome compound, too. You will see and feel the difference. I will let Rusty answer ur question below. I just wanted to add that the benefits are worth incorporating proviron into your cycle.
Thanks for taking the time to answer, mate. Yeah as for the calories I'm gonna do the best I can to squeeze in more because I know that's where I'm gonna get the majority of the gains from.
You got me thinking about the provi now....you really think it would be that much better, or more beneficial than deca in the cycle? Or maybe better question is you think it would be necessary for what I'm trying to achieve? I guess my view of provi was either bass ackwards or else there was just much more to it than what I knew.
Looking forward to Rusty's reply and thanks again.
Each compound and its A:A ratio have their advantages and disadvantages. However, the synergy between compounds and how they are utilized with appropriate caloric/macros intake and training is what helps achieve the results for the attainable goals. Incorporating nandrolone decanoate with testosterone cyp/enan, or longer ester of test, is a great combo. However, incorporating mesterolone with the combo makes for a better cycle and usuage of the 2 testosterones. Mesterolone can be used in all cycles in proper dosages with respect to other compounds being used to cycle.
Awesome...I think you've sold me on it. I don't much care if the deca sits, or I'll just give it to one of my mates. Money isn't the issue. Just would rather the do the most efficient cycle and the one that would do the least damage to this rickety ass body! lol I definitely have heard about it's synergistic effects with test, so it kind of sounds like it might be worth it to just wait a little longer and grab some provi.
Can't tell you how much I appreciate the info, mate! Cheers
Your daily caloric intake with a macros to meet your goals is the key factor to keeping gains, whether on, or off, cycle. The lifting regimen and cardio helps with tearing down, building up and calibrating the body. Look into pyramid, straight sets and reverse pyramid, while you are waiting and planning your cycle. In addition, start meal planning and prepping, now, adding up daily calories and macros to put in your daily meal plan. This will help a lot if you have it planned out prior to beginning.
Proviron (mesterolone) helps unbind cleaved testosterone from sex hormone binding globulin (shbg). In fact, 98% of testosterone wants to bind to shbg. The rest of testosterone is converted into estrogen and DHT. NOW, Testosterone, when unbound by mesterolone, is released and increases Free testosterone. Although mesterolone is a DHT, moderate doses can be taken without regard to insult on body (i.e.) prostate and liver, from what i have read in current scientific medical research journals. However, i would advise administration of TUDCA and Saw Palmetto, while using mesterolone. In a nutshell, as stated above, addition of mesterolone also effectively reduces estrogen and works like an aromatase inhibitor possibly aiding in the decreased use of an AI like exemestane and anastrozole.
Great info, mate! Took what you told me and read up a little bit on it. So I'm not crazy, it appears that Provi is more commonly known/used for cutting, but at the same time, from what you're saying, because of it's ability to free up more testosterone from shbg that is going to be more beneficial for gaining the mass I'm looking for...that about right? Sounds like it's great for people who have sort of gotten "stuck" and are trying to breakthrough a plateau as well.
So would you recommend running it the length of the cycle or only for a determined period of time during the cycle?
Your time is appreciated, mate!
Diet depicts cut, or mass. Not a steroid. If free test is elevated, yes, u will get effective results based off your macros, which is protein, carbs, fat, and how that macros is titrated on a daily basis, as well as the type of lifting regimen. So, paying attention to the breakdown of esters and how the pharmokinetics of the compound works, allows the maximum amount of synergy between the efficiency of the compounds. If test cyp/enan hits a peak in the body around 6 weeks, then u are going to want mesterolone to be active in the blood and a level built around that time. Mesterolone comprimate is the only mesterolone i have used. I really dont think its attached to any other ester..meaning hydrochloride, or sulphate, or acetate...etc. Therefore, starting mesterolone at the befinning of the cycle could be beneficial and theres is nothing wrong with.doing that. You will feel the effects of the DHT, but thats a little early, unless u have an oral on board that is breaking down fast with a short half life. In conclusion, beginning the administration of mesterolone around week 3-4 would also help with the rise in estrogen, which would be productive, not only building a level to pack a punch when the test kicks in, but, to help control estrogen, too.
Outstanding! It stinks in here cause you're the shit, mate! lol I hope I can forward the favor and drop even a quarter of the knowledge to someone else. Cheers mate!
I owe it all to this place and the members that are always on here. I have a knowledge base in medicine, so that helps me grasp the concept of diet and training. Furthermore, if it werent for Eroids, i suppose i would not be so stinky...lol. Many women and men here have a lot of knowledge and experience. Viking is back and we are all so happy!! I believe if it wasnt for him, Eroids and its members would fail to exist.
RustyhookerYour stats look pretty solid. Gains and holding is really all about foods. Something as simple as 2 servings oats cooked, drain water...add oats, 50 grams whey, 1 container yogurt or a banana is about 1100 easy and tasty calories. Blender it up. Now you're 1100 in surplus. Boom! Tablespoon peanut butter adds healthy fats in daily grind.
If you want to run simple, sure you can. Take a look at proviron and possibly test prop. You can easily run simple enanthate and provi to add 12 pounds. Prop is just nice as kicker and taper.
At our age, recovery slows. Look into ai as well or bloods to verify estro.
Some how, or another, we need to get the Proviron thread open and going again. Maybe we could put it groups where the request for membership can help with productivity and minimize unwanted chatter. Just a thought.
Cheers, mate! Yeah I definitely have some adex lined up for the cycle. As for the provi, I guess I am a litt turned around about it because I was always under the impression that provi was used more for shredding towards the end of a cycle as it is often used to cut water weight and give that "harder" look...or so I thought.
How long would you recommend running the provi for during a 12 week cycle of test e? And thanks again for the advice!
RustyhookerResearch for you
Research sex binding hormone thru your normal internet.
Then research here or anywhere proviron and unbinding.
I'll be back later
Did a little bit after Med gave some awesome advice but you can bet I'll be reading some more while I'm waiting to get my package in the mail. Thank you for the advice and time, mate!