posted Wed, 10/11/2023 - 03:10
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Tudca and NAC
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I see many people take Tudca and NAC for certain orals such as Winstrol. I also see most people discuss taking it when they start their cycle. *Tudca and NAC aren't drugs. I feel like if you are starting these supps at cycle start its going to take a good 3-6 months to even begin to reap any benefits.
If people are into cycles and into orals should these products be used almost year round to make sure its in your system reaping the benefits so levels are at their peak when orals begin?
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Tigers2913The reason taking NAC helps is because it contains one of the building blocks for the body to produce Glutathione.
Glutathione is considered a master antioxidant that helps detoxify the liver and other systems.
I decided to skip NAC and just take straight glutathione injections when I take orals. This way I am certain my body has plenty of glutathione immediatley rather than depending on my body to make its own through supplementation of NAC.
It def has helped bring my liver enzymes down and I feel better.
I understand the reasoning behind it. I just think takign NAC and TUDCA should occur months before a cycle and not "when" the cycle starts. If you wait till "when" the cycle starts I don't think you are truely getting much benefit vs. if you started months ahead of time and have it in your system already.
Tigers2913I agree. I was talking about glutathione injections. You take nac in hopes your body will produce enough glutathione. If you inject glutathione it's immediately available. I would take glutathione year round but that would get expensive.
Certain liver cleansing supplements I feel should not be used during an oral cycle because its going to screw with your liver absorbing the oral you are taking. Orals are seen as a toxin to your liver and when your taking liver supplements, those supplements are cleansing your liver of toxins, so in essence it's flushing out the oral steroids you are taking out of liver and stopping full absorbtion. Not all of them but certain ones.
During the cycle, bile becomes hard and does not leave the liver and gall bladder well!
I take LIV52 double strength year round, on oral or not. That way im still protected from the oils also. Get huge bulk orders from Himalaya since i cant find in the US. At least i cant find cheap as Himalaya. My liver levels always check fine so thats all i use.
Milk thistle for me year round, numbers are always within range. Being transparent here, and knocking on wood, my bloods are always good with steroid usage. When I was younger and drank a good amount of alcohol? Not so much. It’s all about moderation and preventative measures.
Staying on cranberry juice also and nothing flags my doctor for liver and kidneys. Told her ahead of time i got high cholesterol in family so explains wacky levels for her. She put me on 20mg atavorstatin and levels are normal. 1500mg berberine daily and my glucose stays intact. Coq10 helps maintain the statins and fingers crossed my bloods stay good for 48yrs old
No way you are 48 years old!!! Thought you were mid thirties at most.
Black dont crack lol
48 in a couple weeks here, keep it up my fellow soon to be member of the old fart club.
Old ass guys lol! I could possibly be older than both of y'all....possibly! I'll be around here when you guys are long gone....possibly lol!
Kids say the darndest things.
I agree. Go see a Doc and tell him that you're old at age 50 and see if he doesn't look you in the eyes and laugh...or better yet have a conversation with a 97 year old man like I usually have and he'll definitely laugh. Not knocking age because wisdom comes with age, especially 97 and that's so dang true.
I know these guys are joking around and having fun.
Stay on topic you old ass's. This isn't about Ginko and dementia ;) jk
Not sure where that Ginko below came from. I'm possibly a little younger than those old ass's but sounds like these guys are in a rush to get old lol.
But back to topic, Nac is good and you mention taking it year round which is good but the point of taking it is to build up natural Glutathione stores within the body. We don't know how long that process actually takes. But I see where you're coming from.
Ginko is old school, this stuff is the Tren of herbal memory supplements. Although when I was over for a visit my father in law said “hey hon, what’s the name of the stuff I’m taking to improve my memory?”, so I do question its effectiveness.
We almost half a century, yikes.
I thought it was 50??! LMFAO
I use them year round. Personal preference so I can ensure maximal "safety" when using gear. I especially take TUDCA on any oral. If you don't want to take them year round, I believe the rule of thumb for TUDCA is to start it 2 weeks before you incorporate orals and continue taking it two weeks after stopping the oral.
I agree with your year round approach. Even 2 weeks I feel isn't enough to get the real benefits into your system. Thats why I wondered if there was some study I haven't seen or if its just broscience thinking its helping when we start a cycle.