posted Wed, 06/13/2012 - 16:12
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Anyone use Nootropics?
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I was wondering if anyone uses Nootropics. I know it's not directly related to bodybuilding, but I was on a bodybuilding website and there was a discussion about them. It seemed like a lot of the bodybuilders were using them. If you use them I'd like to know your experience with them. Which ones do you take? How do you stack them? How do they help you in regards to your goals? I recently ordered Aniracetam, Oxiracetam and then some Choline to help with headaches. I've been using them just a few days, but I'm not sure how they are helping yet.
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I've tried piracetam with choline (same as lechithin, basically providing raw materials for the piracetam to work). I didn't really see much in the way of improvement, but definitely noticed higher general anxiety levels.
I took the piracetam for about a year, mainly to help with focus while working 50+ hours a week and studying for the GMAT and classes (MBA). Not sure about headaches, as I would get them more frequently while supplementing with nootropics. Always kept some choline around so I could avoid that.
The best combo - as defined by the least anxiety - that I used was 3 grams piracetam/day, with 5-6g of choline/lecithin, vinpocetine, huperzine, and phenibut. Ergopharm used to make a combo product..that had all that (below).
In my opinion, for what I was trying to use it for - focus+comprehension, it's not worth the cost vs. a prescription for adderall/vyvanse.
"Psychotropin from Ergopharm If you want to take your mental focus in the gym to a new level, we have the supplement for you. Psychotropin is the most complete mental function supplement on the market today. It is formulated with Phenibut, which helps with anti-anxiety and focus and also contains the most advanced herbal derived psychostimulant compounds available. Achhieve mind-muscle connection like never before with Ergopharm’s Psychotropin.
Nutrition Facts:
Serving Size (caps) 4
Servings Per 30
Acetyl L-Carnitine 1g
Phenibut 500mg
Bacopa Monnieri 250mg
L-Theanine 200mg
DMAE 200mg
Betaine 200mg
Rhodiola Rosea 150mg
Vinpocetine 7.5mg
Huperzine .5mg"
TxBigBoyI just got piracetam in and took a gram with some cholin. How long till you typically see some effects?
Depends on how you define effects. It took me a couple of weeks to notice anything on the piracetam alone - which was a slight uptick in concentration, and even then it's not as powerful and/or immediate like a pre-workout stim would be. When I added the phenibut, teanine, and others, it was more of a calm but focused kick and that was about 30-45 min after taking.
I stuck to it for a year, and didn't feel it was a huge benefit, so I stopped. I get more out of the geranamine stuff than Piracetam.
TX - what's your goal for use?
TxBigBoyRight now I'm finishing up my bachelors and next month I'll be study'n for the astb(navy officers test). I can't stand caffiene or any kind of "upper" feeling so Im hoping to achieve that calm focus you spoke of.
I love the "upper feeling" - I watched Limitless and was "yeah, whatever that is, I need." haha.
Good luck wrapping up the bachelor's and studying for the astb, that stuff can be pretty intense.
I'd grab some theanine as well, and if your budget allows, some Phenibut to add to that stack. It definitely helps.
"Phenibut (beta-phenyl-gamma-aminobutyric acid HCl) is a neuropsychotropic drug that was discovered and introduced into clinical practice in Russia in the 1960s. It has anxiolytic and nootropic (cognition enhancing) effects. It acts as a GABA-mimetic, primarily at GABA(B) and, to some extent, at GABA(A) receptors. It also stimulates dopamine receptors and antagonizes beta-phenethylamine (PEA), a putative endogenous anxiogenic. The psychopharmacological activity of phenibut is similar to that of baclofen, a p-Cl-derivative of phenibut. This article reviews the structure-activity relationship of phenibut and its derivatives. Emphasis is placed on the importance of the position of the phenyl ring, the role of the carboxyl group, and the activity of optical isomers. Comparison of phenibut with piracetam and diazepam reveals similarities and differences in their pharmacological and clinical effects. Phenibut is widely used in Russia to relieve tension, anxiety, and fear, to improve sleep in psychosomatic or neurotic patients; as well as a pre- or post-operative medication. It is also used in the therapy of disorders characterized by asthenia and depression, as well as in post-traumatic stress, stuttering and vestibular disorders."
TxBigBoyThanks bro I'll fr sure check em out. I did get some vipocetine to stack with the pira but I need a scale to weigh it out. And some sulbutiamine I stack with the pira cause I read it gives good focus and endurance in the gym. Idk we'll see how they work out, I'm sure ill have to play with the dosage a few times before I figure what works for me.
Nobody? :'(
TxBigBoyI've never heard of these but after a google search it all sounds pretty good. I think I'ma research this a little more and I'll let you know what I come up with.
TxBigBoyTypically take days to weeks to make a noticeable improvement on concentration and focus, and are best taken in longer periods (2-3 months) followed by down time of one month.
So basically Aniracetam is a fat soluble version of piracetam, meaning it lasts longer and is more potent, but still basically the same thing. And Oxiracetam is basically the same thing but works even faster. Here are some stacks I found...
STACKS
Simple Stack :
1-2 grams piracetam every 8 hours with 5 grams lecithin daily.
Study Stack - Simple :
1-2 grams piracetam every 8 hours / 5 grams lecithin / 10mg Vinpocetine every 8 hours
Advanced Stack :
2 grams piracetam every 8 hours
500 mg aniracetam every 8 hours
1 gram Alpha GPC every 8 hours
Study Stack - advanced :
1.5 grams piracetam every 8 hours
500 mg aniracetam every 8 hours
1.5 grams Alpha GPC every 8 hours
15 mg Vinpocetine every 8 hours
150 mcg Huperzine every 8 hours
Anxiety / Concentration Stack :
500 mg aniracetam every 8 hours
200 mg theanine every 8 hours (plan for one dose prior to a speech or presentation)