posted Mon, 01/02/2012 - 17:33
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When to take Liv52 during cycle?
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Hey,
Just after advice/experiences with Liv52, do i start taking straight away when i start my cycle and how much do i take daily? also will that be enough Liver protection by itself?
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Liv. 52 DS tablets are also administered as dietary supplements to body builders as a detoxifying agent during a steroid cycle. Bodybuilders and athletes are usually instructed to use Liv. 52 DS tablets before, after, and during the steroid cycle to moderate the pressure on the liver from the heavy usage of oral (Anadrol, Dianabol, Halotestin, Methyl Test and Cheque Drops) and injectable (Testosterone, Winstrol, and Trembolone) steroids and to escape the hazardous increase in blood level of liver enzymes. Weight lifters and bodybuilders are usually directed to begin the administration of 3 Liv. 52 DS tablets twice a day 30 minutes before meals, at least 4 weeks before the initiation of the pre contest steroid cycle. During the cycle, it is appropriate to administer 12- 18 Liv. 52 DS tablets every day in 4 equal doses 30 minutes before meals, depending on the type and dosage of steroids being used. This dosage can be decreased to 9-12 Liv. 52 DS tablets per day after the discontinuation of oral steroids during the cycle. After the end of the cycle, bodybuilders are generally suggested to continue a dosage of 9 Liv. 52 DS tablets per day for approximately 8-12 weeks.
I'm taking them almost yr round. liv52 is herbal, takes time for herbal stuff to have an effect but the effects r more long lasting. i would say no harm taking them...milk thistle only if u run orals i think...else liv52 will do fine.
It's the 17-alkylated orals you need to worry about with the liver. Basically, you've added something to the compound that allows the steroid to survive clensing by the liver, after ingesting the oral. That is why orals are "hard on" the liver.
Depends on the amount of orals. 40mg ed or more, definitely Liv52 or milk thistle, etc. Better to be safe.
before and after a cycle. id only worry more if id be taking abombs or dbol
dansta123did a fair bit of research on liv-52ds..so end conclusion is..the shit is dirt cheap so dont be worried about the WASTING IT part taking it would run like 2 pills for 1 week before cycle then 1 pill ED on cycle and 1 week after..this is how i ran it and i didnt shit my liver out.
dansta123purchase liv-52 ds from OZ ebay-straight out of india dirt cheap,if that helps now
Ye i just ordered some from america on ebay, is that stuff from india legit? might order some of that as well..
dansta123himalayan liv 52-ds made in bangladore india..yes legit..india pumps out a fuk ton of good cheap medicines dont be discouraged.
Milk thistle purchased
Do you have a wallmart? I think wallabookie is from there too, he may know. You may want to reconsider taking that while on cycle. I'm no spring chicken and I've never heard of anyone taking it till cycle is done. Just don't drink alcohol on cycle and you'll be fine without it my outback friend
Would you take both Liv52 and milk thistle together or only one or the other? if so what dosage? anyone no where to get milk thistle in Australia?
AnonI'm sure any store that sells vitamins in Aus would carry milk thistle. not sure if you're reading below, but injectables such as test aren't directly processed by your liver
hey now, I never said directly, show me a planned cycle that includes taking liver pills during the cycle.
Ye ive been reading it all, im just thinking it cant hurt either way by taking some type of liver protection.. so test dosnt affect the liver that much then?
AnonWhen the
liver is under stress or damaged, increased amounts of certain
chemicals (SGOT, SGPT, and others) are found in the bloodstream.
"Liver function tests" detect these chemicals as a measure of
stress and possible liver damage. Anabolic steroid abusers have up
to twice the level of these chemicals in their blood compared to
non-users. These values may return to normal if the
person stops taking anabolic steroids. SGOT and SGPT are
released while the liver is being injured. Once the damaging
process is over, no further release occurs. Whether the damaged
tissue repairs itself is unclear. Thus the damage done may
continue to exist despite normal SGOT and SGPT blood levels..
My outlook is, with shooting test.. no
while if you look at the biochemistry complexity of the body, when on other steroids, your body is kinda all affected one way or another. although it is not directly whereas orals need to be filtered.
My take on this is that it should be taken after pct. The reason being is that you might flush aas out of your liver and lessen the effects of your test. I have a similar belief with estrogen blockers in that they belong in the pct. Due to the idea that in order to have high test levels you need to have high estrogen levels. The body will balance it out cause that's what your body does. Only when your about to have gyno should you take nolva during a cycle. Just my .02
Anoninjectables ARE NOT processed by the liver bud...
Are you sure on that? I get tren piss when on tren
AnonWhen the
liver is under stress or damaged, increased amounts of certain
chemicals (SGOT, SGPT, and others) are found in the bloodstream.
"Liver function tests" detect these chemicals as a measure of
stress and possible liver damage. Anabolic steroid abusers have up
to twice the level of these chemicals in their blood compared to
non-users. These values may return to normal if the
person stops taking anabolic steroids. SGOT and SGPT are
released while the liver is being injured. Once the damaging
process is over, no further release occurs. Whether the damaged
tissue repairs itself is unclear. Thus the damage done may
continue to exist despite normal SGOT and SGPT blood levels..
My outlook is, with shooting test.. no
while if you look at the biochemistry complexity of the body, when on other steroids, your body is kinda all affected one way or another. although it is not directly whereas orals need to be filtered.
I just read something similar to that on just ask. The oral steroids are usually methylated to pass the liver, so I do agree that oral steroids are terrible for the liver. Hard to believe all the stuff the liver is involved with. I've learned that smoking is real.bad for it too. The article I read also noted that people who drink while on anabolics effect the binding of estrogen and are more susceptible to gyno. Stimulating debate and I'm sure if you ask 10 different proffessionals you'll get ten different answers.
AnonI agree.. there really isn't an 100% answer, but there is answers formed around the truth..which are all alike, one way or another. an yes, alcohol pretty much triggers estrogen production.. lowers test
I'm still convinced that everything has to pass through the liver from the air I breath to everything that I put in my bloodstream. I'll do more research though and see if I can be covinced otherwise. Truce? Till then
I just read something similar to that on just ask. The oral steroids are usually methylated to pass the liver, so I do agree that oral steroids are terrible for the liver. Hard to believe all the stuff the liver is involved with. I've learned that smoking is real.bad for it too. The article I read also noted that people who drink while on anabolics effect the binding of estrogen and are more susceptible to gyno. Stimulating debate and I'm sure if you ask 10 different proffessionals you'll get ten different answers.
AnonLiterally any store that sells vitamins lol
Where can you get milk thistle from?
If you're in the UK, try 'Holland & Barratt'
Eric090585any health store...walmart even has it. by the vitamins bro
AnonI would say I guess is all depends on what you're taking.. if its an oral related cycle, the circumstances are far different
Test prop and Test E
Anonif you're set on taking a liver support, since you aren't taking any liver intensive orals for your body to filter through. I would just take an average daily dosage
Eric090585agreed. no orals so no need to up the daily suggested dose.
Eric090585well depends...if u have a never ending supply of it then take it year round. personally, i take milk thistle year round cuz it's easy to get and Liv. 52 during cycle along with milk thistle and continue to take it for about 1 week after cycle..but that's just my 2 cents bro
So would you take Liv52 and milk thistle at the same time or you reckon thats to much? what dosage would you run?
Eric090585i take'em at the same time while on cycle. but you're not taking any orals so you shouldn't need to. however, oils also do a tiny bit to your liver, so if u wanna be safe just take the suggested doses of both..
X2 i take milk thistle while on cycle. 1 in the morning, lunch, and dinner.
Eric090585i take the 'once daily' milk thistle..one a day off cycle and 2 a day on
Im taking anadrols so that's the only reason Im taking them
Eric090585abombs have no interest to me personally...it's all about the prop kick start ;)