+ 2 Trying to run my 3rd RIGHT
Howdy friends. I've lurked the site for a bit, but I am ready to finally start digging in.
That being said, a lot of the info is confusing to me, and I could use some veteran advice on products.
As my profile states, I ran one (poorly executed) cycle of dbol, and another, much smarter Mechabol run. Both where pills. This time around I would like to run an inject-able to avoid some serious liver issue down the road.
My question is this: what would you all recommend that would be similar in effect to the Mechabol, ie good gains with proper nutrition, but wont make me huge-huge? I have nothing against the size, just not the look I want now. Strength is def the focus, with hardness and size next in importance. A little cut would be cool, but if I can run this from December - Feb, I can handle that on my own. My diet plan has been hammered out by some pretty knowledgeable nutrition-types, so I'm not even really that worried about slimming down. 215-225 would be the ideal weight to end at.
Budget-wise, I would like to keep it on the more practical end of the spectrum, as I am trying to make a few transitions in life. Obviously, you get what you pay for, but that doesn't mean it has to be shit just because its a reasonable price. I will give a brief overview of my ideal cycle schedule, and as I receive more info/help, I will edit it to keep new readers up-to-date. Tentative plan for now:
-2 weeks (Mid-November): Begin liver and joint protection with Milk Thistle and Super Cissus extract. Also fish oils and mens multi-vitamins.
0 Week (December): Begin working into cycle. Will be on the last month of my 5x5 lifting regimen.
EDIT: So far the dosage is looking like 500 mg Test E, coupled with Aromasin at +2 weeks
+4 weeks (January): Be full dosage at this point. Transition to a more intense, 5-6 day pattern doing 4x10-12 rep sets (I gain the most size here, idk, just how I roll)
+8 weeks (Feb): From here on, I would be on a (maybe) odd schedule doing 30-20-10-20 lifts. This would ideally be the last 2 weeks (8-10). I might keep my "bulking" schedule until I start PCT, then switch to that high-rep scheme. That all depends on how much progress I'm seeing, and if I've hit my personal "limit".
+12 weeks. PCT for around a month w/ toremifene. This was my last one, and it worked great. As the profile says, I had a great experience with it, barely even noticed the loss of test until 2 months or so PC.
EDIT: based on rec, it looks like Clomid Nolva and Aromasin are the ticket here.
Sooooooo.... that's that. Again, I will just clarify exactly what I am looking for:
Good anabolic that would offer similar gains to ones I experienced on mech, with maybe a bit more on the strength gain side.
A 10-12 week healthy dosage scheme. Obviously, if there is extra, I'll just save it for a rainy day, but yeah.
I'm not 100 on what peptides do, but they seem to be helpful with sleep? I guess clarity there would be helpful. I'm not too worried about getting sleep, as I have my ways ha, but any advice is welcome!
Keeping side-effects down is key. I've never had any of the classics, maybe that's luck, but I know its more likely product. Anything that helps minimize that would be gladly added to my stack.
I'm not trying to add anything else much on this "stack". mainly due to GH's being out of price range (I imagine, although open to enlightenment!). Also, just not what I'm looking to get. This is a purely personal motivation, as I love lifting and the pump, just want a boost breaking plateaus before I go hard natty for a year or so. If there is something that you would highly recommend though, I am always listening
If there is anything else I should take into consideration, please feel free to let me know, as well as ask any clarifying questions! I dont expect anyone to address all of these, but any suggestion is appreciated. Thanks
EDIT: The site's decorum is still a little new to me, so if there is someone I could PM with a few questions, that would be great.
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MakaveliCD7ED is on the money below.... If ur body is responding nicely to test then y bother throwing other compounds in until it's warranted....Let ur body plateau on gains then add.... It will save u money and undue stress on ur body and organs.... Many think more is better but ur body is sensitive at this point and will react nicely to simplicity....the biggest thing u should focus on is ur diet.... Find out ur body type and the amount macros u need to grow and the test will maximize ur potential.... Hope I helped
Def a help. I'm pretty sure I have a good idea about my macros, but I'm gonna do a good look after I get my blood work done and all that. Probably make a nice spreadsheet to track it all (including doses/dates/times/etc), so hopefully that will help. I'll make sure I try and post that info as it becomes available. And I agree, less is for sure more as far as I'm concidered. Thanks!
Also, pre-cycle, mid-cycle (6 week mark of a 12 week cycle), and post-cycle (six weeks after PCT) blood work will be beneficial for you and it should be a requirement before you start, during, and after your cycle. Welcome to EROIDS.....
Makes sense. I have to get a blood test done in. Week anyways, I can ask for that then. As to the others, what's a good way to go about that w/o having my regular doc raise an eyebrow?
Privatemedlabs.com get all the blood work done you want and your doc never has to know about any of it
you talking about blood work mid and post cycle?
Oh yeah, already leagues ahead of where I was. It's chill to be able to just be straight up with what I want and not have to rely on google and guesswork. I'll try to update as I work into it, we can talk diet again!
Seriously bro, this is the place. Im still pretty new to all this, but already I can't believe some of the shit I see posted in other forums when I just google something. This is the only place I'll come for advice.
Do you make your own gainer shakes then? Bulk whey, big 'ol bag of corn starch lol, I'm all about the home made supps.
Same here. I mean, I've run before, but never with the proper research. Im really excited to see how things go now that I have this resource. My problem has always been that none of my other friends run cycles, so the internet is my guru ha.
But yeah, I try to make my own gainers. It seems just pointless to me to have them add calories for me, when I can do it with delicious food ha. Ex: Last night i melted peanut butter over brown rice and chicken, wrapped it in spinach and drank a shake with a scoop of ice cream. That meal can just be made in bulk and packaged, so my post shake will do that fast hitting protein dump my muscles need, then that goober meal tacks on a few hundred more calories and 12+ grams of protein that will digest slower. That is my other problem with gainers actually, as I don't want to lose 10-15 mg to poop because im going over my absorption threshold.
Or maybe I over think lol.
You are ahead of most with the thought that food is better than gainers for sure. Bulk cooking is def the way to go too. I like to slow cook meat in the crock pot and just throw in a bunch of potatoes and veggies. You cant get any cleaner or more natural than that, meat and fresh veggies slow cooked in just water. Plus you can season with whatever fresh herbs and spices you want and it is delicious. Just adjust the cut of meat and amount of potatoes depending on if bulking or cutting.
Idk how I feel about that low protein absorption per hour stuff. Granted Im not well read on it, but it doesnt seem like an efficient survival strategey for the species from an evolutionary perspective. But IDK. IMO Id suggest eating more than 160g protein but thats just me.
As for your first injectable cycle, all I can say is be ready for the pip lol. Heat your oils!
Thanks! I would say a lean gain/strength would be an accurate assessment. I was planning on going at about 4500-5000 cal/day with a min of 160 g protein, upping the protein from chicken and low-cal protein shakes as gains add on. It's not that Im "worried" about gaining garbage mass, I just like to be scientific with my diet, it helps me stay on track. Most gainers seem like a rip-off (10 servings for 50$, whut?). Why not just toss in a scoop of frozen yogurt in a blender with 2 scoops of regular tein and some milk, save myself the bread ha. Sorry to rant, just wanted to make sure you knew I was picking up what you are putting down! Thanks for your time, such a good community already.
AnonEngineer is right on point, 12 week test e or c wil work well for you
Hey bro. Just read your stats, and I think that you did a good job of explaining where you are at and what your goals are. So I'll throw you a plus 1 for that.
My advice is to go with a basic 12 week run of Test E. It's clean, you wont be dealing with liver issues and you should get some excellent gains. Your first two cycles, in my opinion were horrible.
Run a nice clean Test E Cycle of 500 mg/ week. Coupled with Aromasin as an a.i.
Followed up with a Clomid Nolva and possibly Aromasin PCT, and you'll get nice clean gains and feel good knowing that you aren't destroying your liver with those nasty Orals.
At this stage in the game you really don't need anything more than test.
Agreed.....good advice, too.....
First: Holy shit that was fast! Thanks for the plus! I was worried the wall of text might annoy some folks, but why waste my time, and more importantly other peoples'?
But anyhoo, I would agree, those two were def not what I was looking for, and if I had to guess it was maybe some placebo effect :/. That being said, thanks for the advice, I'll look into those stat. So the Aromasin would be run for the entire 16 weeks?
with the long ester, I think I'd run the Aromasin two weeks into the cycle at 6.25 mg/day. Pick up a pill cutter at walgreens and hit a quarter tab per day and go from there. If you start to notice high estro signs or your blood work is showing it up the dose and adjust from there. 6.25 mg ed, has always worked great for me.
That was the dosage that I had gathered from the reviews, thanks for that confirmation! Seriously, I appreciate the help. I have a few other, more discreet questions, if you wouldn't mind me sending you a PM later on? If not, thanks for everything you've offered so far! I'm already excited, just gotta keep my cool until game-time now hah
No prob bro. I'll send you a fr.