posted Tue, 11/07/2023 - 14:18
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Tren E + Test P + Anavar
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Curious for feedback on the following cycle.
Ive done several cycles previously.
This is the first time adding Tren to a cycle.
215lbs
12% BF
5'-11"
CYCLE (10 WEEKS)
- 100mg Tren E (M/W/F)
- 100mg Test Prop (M/W/F)
- 50mg Anavar ED
– HCG at 500iu/E2D
- 20mg Cardarine ED
PCT (6 WEEKS)
Weeks 1 – 2:
– HCG at 500iu/E2D
– Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) at 40mg/day
Weeks 2 – 6:
– Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) at 20mg/day
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Tren A instead of E, Throw in a little Masteron and you got yourself a party right there
Esters are all wonky bro.
Tren Ace not E Tren Ace is always where you should start just in case the sides are to much.
Try Test E 2x a week Mon / Thur
Jock is right Mast Prop rather than Var
Save the HCG for after the cycle.
Sarms are garbage just my opinion.
Thank you for the advice. Much appreciated.
Bad layout. Match esters per priors. Going to have fluctuation issues, horrible heartburn, and no appetite
Tren ace 75mg ed with no skipping.
Mast prop 50ed with no skipping
Test prop 25mg ed with no skipping.
6weeks unless side effects kick hard. Try for eight but that is only if you stay mentally able.
Three days pct starts. Hcg 2days after last pin. Hcg til end of first week pct.
Damn, that’s a lot of Tren. You definitely got my attention though, especially since this is my second time running Tren your way, and it’s paying off big time. I haven’t gone over 50mg Ed though. Might be time to man up though. I pin it in my delts and nervous about going over half cc.
Do you know what causes the heartburn on cycle, I always seem to get it and I can’t seem to pinpoint the cause in my diet which leads me to believe it’s from the gear. I’ve noticed on several cycles so It’s not like I get it every time I add xyz. Any tips you have would be appreciated
@Rosschestzip yep alot of folks have issues with orals causing stomach issues. To keep it simple In my opinion it's just a result of the oral's chemical composition. There's a reason why they've been labeled toxic, some more than others. I wouldn't mess the grapefruit juice as that interferes with the ability of the liver to properly break down the drug or hormone in its timely manner. I agree chewing tabs help some but not others.
I’m thinking solvents, or something similar cause I don’t do a lot of pill orals. I do injectable orals tho. It gets real bad tho, even starts really effecting my sleep too. Like bubble guts and acid all night. I gotta start keeping more detailed logs and see if I can really pinpoint the source. And actually recently I’ve developed some sort of issue with my stomach, I have those sulfur burps and just like unlimited air in my stomach, it’s really really killing my appetite and sleep. Probably going to have to go to walk in clinic soon if it doesn’t stop
Damn sorry to hear that. Yea that's something different I think. Now some solvents can mess with you, like Guaiacol or EO. I can't do either one of those and besides that guaiacol is just not my thing lol. Could be one of your injects too, I've heard that before. Hard to pinpoint something.
@Rosschestzip i get heartburn with orals and tren. Chewing up the orals and sublingual til swallowed helps as its not a tab just sitting there getting pummeled by stomach acid. Teaspoon peanutbutter helps stomach. Grapefruit juice with chewed tab speeds absorption. Tren is just tren. Plusses and minus for that one. Kills my appetite too so seems to make cutting much easier. Forcefeed versus a snack attack. Lol!
Could be a bunch of variables. Ghrellin increase boosts appetite which realeases stomach acid. Faster metabolism requirements on cycle. Would be an interesting research study
Ya I don’t think it’s the orals for me because I don’t usually mess with a lot of orals. I do some injectable orals, so idk if those have similar issues or if it’s the actual pill sitting in the stomach. So I’m thinking maybe a solvent or the benzoyl alcohol or benzoyl benzoate or whatever is used
There are 3 things that give me Acid reflux in terms of steroids: Trenbolone (the worst for it), Injectable Dbol, Oral tablets in general. If I just run Test and NPP only then its not really prominent, but damn get on the Tren and I'll wake up in the morning and do a sick burp right into the back of my throat Lol It was the main reason I stopped sleeping flat on my back and turned into a side sleeper because of the amount of times it would happen on Tren and Dbol together. Would have to get up 2 or 3 times per night at one point to eat to soak up all the acid they produced. With the Tren I think its purely because of how much it speeds up the metabolism and makes the stomach produce acid to eat, the orals just produce acid in the stomach and eat the stomach lining and again the Dbol inject makes the stomach hungry.
if you don't get heartburn then you know it is not tren
BIG TIME!!!
Your comment above on bubble gut reminds me of drinking my protein. I drank a few top brands and they gave me bubble gut. The isolate seems to be ok but not at the mg of protein i would like to use. Interesting as we all have our struggles even though its basically the same base foods and gear.
If ya know ya know! ...in both cases I mean lol. But yea man those protein shakes were a mofo, especially back in the day. Nowadays I gotta admit Whey has gotten alot better with lessening the stomach issues ( gass, bubble gut etc).
I think alot of that has to do with the lactose levels and the ash from the milk that whey is made from. Nowadays filtering is alot better.
My stomach is like crazy strong usually. I drink like 3 gallons of milk a week with no problem. I can have 100grams of protein powder(I never actually do this) and get zero protein farts from it. Hopefully I’ll figure it out soon
I'm curious as to the cause. It's probably one of your injects. You might want to take nothing but test and see how you feel then. Process of elimination. Hope u get it figured out man.
Ya that’s what I’m doing now man, test and gh only and I actually stopped the gh yesterday but I don’t think that has anything to do with it, I just can’t make up my mind wether I should only run the gh when cutting or also during my bulk. Starting around early February I’m going to do a serious cut for a contest thing. So I was thinking about staying off the gh until then and then use it for it’s fat burning properties but idk if taking a break would make a difference on its effectiveness or not. Or just help the wallet lol
What's crazy is I've never used GH. It's in my plans though. You should use during cut like you said. If I use it would be at lower dose just for cutting and recovery purposes. And try some probiotics for your gut health. Apple cider vinegar helps too. Alot of good bacteria in apple cider.
I’ve been running it for about 6 months and it’s nothing special. I don’t think I’ve grown from it really at all but I think it does keep me leaner. Like usually with my diet how it is I have a much more barrel shape lol like a real thick midsection where with the gh it’s like my diet is a little cleaner then it really is. And ya I’m thinking some probiotics could help reset my “biome” or whatever it’s called. It seems to be very out of wack. I’ll have to give the apple cider a try, thanks bro
GH won't put slabs of muscle on you right away. It is a long-term investment that creeps up on you slowly. So slow you probably won't even notice it, but it will produce hyperplasia which is the only way to build actual new muscle fibers and not just provide hypertrophy like AAS do. Those new baby muscle fibers take a long time to develop, but they do eventually hypertrophy and your physique will be bigger (and leaner) in the long run than if just using steroids alone. Another one of those patient man's drugs. You should notice improved recovery fairly quickly though which is welcomed addition when training hard.
Do you think taking a break from gh will help the fat loss properties of it? Like a kind of tolerance break? Or would taking time off not effect how well it works? In the spring I’m doing a transformation thing, so it’s about how much leaner you can get during the contest, so no benefit to being leaner when it starts. So would you run gh before and straight through or take time off before and start the gh when you start the cut? Idk if I’m working it correctly but hopefully you know what I mean lol
Taking a break from it will not make it more effective when you start back up again. It is more beneficial to just stay on then you don’t have to spend all that time building igf levels back up. They need to be elevated for quite a long time to start producing any meaningful hyperplasia plus you are losing out on all the other benefits of GH. I tend to bump levels up on cycle and reduce a bit while off. It also seems to help retain gains when coming off cycle
You bet
Heres a research start. Prostaglandins...
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/mrcog-part-one/steroids-and-pro...
@Rosschestzip
Cat's out the bag!
Looks like solid advice. Thank you. So we are looking at ew 175mg Test P, 525mg Tren A, 350mg Mast P ?
Do you not suggest an ai during cycle?
There is no weekly amount on esters that are out of system in 48hours. The doses above typically get me to week six without many sides. But with tren it can whack ya upside the head when least expected. Its a different ride each time.
Blood test end of week two to see if you need adex or not.
I also would not use keto on tren ever. Carbs keep the muscle bellies full. Assists with raise in body temp for a bit of a thermogenic action. If sweats get to you just drop carbs two hours before bed. Or three if needed. Hgh can help if trensomnia kicks in. Just be mindful than tren exploits carbs and fills the muscles. Hgh can add to that factor so you dont have low carb problems. Going hypo is not fun