posted Sun, 05/25/2014 - 20:16
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Tren Ace/Prop run.
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Based on the outcome of what I've read in other sources, and concluded from consulting, this is how I will run my Tren Ace/Prop, simple and basic:
prop@20 mg, and tren ace@25mg both ED in one shot, right before lifting with a 5/8 slin pin.
Problem is, some've supported subQ route abdominal area under skin, insulin style, and others into muscle, locally.
So, please pass on some more input if you did experiment both modes( SubQ, and into muscle), to help solve this last small dilemma to go ahead and kick it.
What is the best route to inject based on you personal experience?
Critic, comment, suggestion, are always welcome.
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RustyhookerIm still not buying into dudes stats or priors.
And definitly dont listen to Details "starter" range. Smh....yet again....
Rusty, I don't give any sort of cycle advise here at eroids. I simply chime in on personal experiences and personal experiences only as a way to contribute feedback to the community. I would not suggest a first time user start at the 100mg/d range, but rather find a dose that works for them. And for this gentleman, if his sweet spot is 25mg/d then more power to him. I just stated on a personal level I never go lower than 100mg/d. Have a nice day.
RustyhookerPosting your personal minimum IS posting advice. Its passive aggressive DILLIGAF spats. Anyone who paid attention on this forum shoulda saw all the red flags before giving any info.
i get the prop at 20mg/d for a "maintenance dose"... but tren at 25mg/d seems very very low to me, i've never ran under 100. interested in hearing about your gains, good luck.
AnonNever ran less than 100mg ED on tren? 700/wk?
Are you being serious ?
Yes, to me that's an average dose. The sides don't kick my ass like the majority of tren users and I feel great overall, so I usually go high tren/low test. Not really a fan of any other injectable steroids anyway.
But obviously I didn't jump into the game at these doses. Time and tolerance play a big role. Good luck.
Anoncrazy. I was rolling along ok at 50mg ( pretty strong batch however ) but the indigestion killed me. Can't eat can't grow so I cut way back. Lucky you lol.
25mg/d is a perfect dose to start with!
Agreed 100%. You never know how you will react. Keep us posted.
Now I start seeing sense made in this thread taking to accurate direction, thus I can type in.
I will begin from there as I've stated before, then will up/adjust the gear's dosage accordingly to how I feel and look.
AnonAs long as it's not under dosed you should see good results on 25-30/day…. I don't know why people go nuts on dosages. I only went to 50/d to test my source ( lot of under dosed gear around lately ) and it was too much for me, down to 30/d now. Still getting more grainy and vascular by the day practically. Slin pinning with a 30g and only 0.3cc is basically like not even having to pin anything at all.
Good luck.
ive been on tren this cycle at 42.8mg/d (a little trivia for ya! ) with great results.
Good to read.
Did you gear on tren solo or w/another compound?
AnonNo matter what compound is being used you always run at least an HRT dose of test with it…. test/tren ratio is a matter personal preference
Is that a serious question or are you just taking the piss?
Serious, not here to waste time, I piss in the toilet bowl like a civilized man.
im sure its probably been talked about at length in this thread but I will put in my .02 beings I recently ran tren ace sub-q for quite some time.
The cycle you are proposing here could certainly be ran sub-q, it would all fit in one pin and injections would be easy. however you should be aware there is more room for abscess, there is gonna be much more pain after injection. Red welts that abdominally will wake you in the night, quads where the best place I was able to find in terms of PIP. each injection is gonna be sore for a minimum of 3 days and could be closer to 5, as well you can expect them to be around 3 inches in diameter. they are uncomfortable and I wouldnt run a cycle like this just because. The reason I ran tren-a sub-q was because I found out that I didnt experience any tren sides by doing so, which for me is worth the trade off.
you can however still backload a slin and pin IM.
Bro,
A few months ago one of our senior members was running an experiment to see if injecting Tren Sub Q would minimize some of the more common side effects like insomnia. I participated in that experiment and had the experience of injecting an oil-base compound Sub Q into fat tissue with a slin pin. While there was no pain or discomfort, the oil is not immediately absorbed in the fat tissue and my personal experience was that I did not like the red raised lumps of oil at the injection site.
Furthermore, I did watch your video and one of the comments the doctor made was the difficulty in monitoring the blood plasma levels achieved from the sub q vs IM injections.
WTF bro? U are trying to impress US with some cutting edge development in steroid administration. Really? What website do you think this is? Happy Homemaking with Martha Stewart?
And u are planing on running 140 mg of Test and 175 mg Tren per week at a body weight of 237 lbs. My hamster could tolerate more juice than that.
Next u will be sending a link to your new cutting edge training method - no weights - rubber variable resistance bands.
Sum Ting Wong Bro,
GearHead
Maybe you'll know Gearhead... This is just a theory, but if BF levels dictate the possibility of gyno, wouldn't injecting testosterone directly into fat cause a high rate of aromatization?
In theory yes - refer to http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11511861 - practically speaking this is not common practice despite what the OP asserts and I do not think it has been studied. Have u ever heard of injecting a cycle's worth of any injectable compound sub q? Whoever has please raise his hand !
The only Benefit I guess you can say depending on how you look at it, I personally don't find it appealing in any sense, is the rate of metabolization. But then again that's why the injectable is esterified in the first place...The blood supply to the subcutaneous tissue is poor, so the absorption rate at which the injectable is metabolize would be a lot slower, since that is the case how can you calculate the proper time to begin pct, without proper blood work?
I got up to .8 sub-q ED, and im currently running 3ml a week for my cycle, so yes you could in the right application! BUT if there is no benefits why in fuck would you want to? and .08 hurt like a bastard!!!
I think this is a classic case of hearsay; he heard or seen someone do it... apparently that person was a moron and he followed suit...
The moron works with competitive bodybuilders, advanced bodybuilders, he is a vet at it.
Show some respect as you like to be respected. Why you're being insulting?
You never had any pain from it? Man oh man I do the whole area after a day offers red and sore and after 3 or 4 days it goes away only did it a couple of times by accident
AnonTried with ace
Felt like an uncontrolled release unlike with IM, and it hurt a good bit… not awful but who wants those swollen lumps for days like you said
No, not that I can remember. What I do remember is the very ugly looking red lump that was elongated. I injected it right below the belly button on the side. You would think the carrier oil would be real soluble in adipose tissue. Apparently not. I'm sorry to sound a little sarcastic with the OP but this is ridiculous, truly it is.
I did report on the thread I will run IM.
Thanks anyway.
Wow in surprised u had no pain ..
Something smells fishy here?... gearing for 17yrs but choosing to only run 20mg prop ED doesn't add up to me..... i understand low dose approach with tren but Cmon 20mg is lower than a female would use for libido issues.
Looking at the script in the post i challenge your stated age........ and your profile says you hit 297lbs... i need to see a self pic before i give any info here.
RustyhookerLast month that guy ripped 267 didn't know about suspension......
I am now at 237 lbs. Did get to 293 lbs before.
RustyhookerPost current pix so vike can assist. Your proposal doesn't match priors, info, or stats.
293 lbs.
Plus look at the method he is proposing he injects the prop and tren.. Sub Q ??
What is your cycle history? and you made a typo of saying u thought about shooting Sub Q...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n98LOFQwUGA
Any body that's ran gear knows u don't pin it sub q.. Especially prop and tren
A wide range of people out there are doing so.
Check the vid posted above.
U find me people on here that is pinning tren and prop sub q and we will talk
This is just a theory, but if BF levels dictate the possibility of gyno, wouldn't injecting testosterone directly into fat cause a high rate of aromatization?
Hmmm I don't know.. About that.. But I don't know about you but ever hit sub q by accident wow it gets painful
Fortunately I've never made that mistake dude.
At other forums. Search, if you wish.
Last comment I'm gonna make .. You don't pin prop and tren sub q..
Don't take me wrong, I do value your opinion, I am still "wandering", I did hear on the subQ mode before even posting here, thus I did not decide yet
The bottle clearly states for Intramuscularly Injection Purpose Only for a reason... You asked us for our opinion, and you want to argue. Everybody else is doing it Congratulations, dude... alot of people do a lot of things, and half of it isn't right... We're here to help, accept our help and learn the right way or move along...
I know I can move along anytime I do want. Calm down, this is just an opinion exchange, as I've stated above, I did not make up my mind yet.
Dbol, Deca, Primo, Suspension, Cyp, En, Prop, EQ, Anadrol, Winstrol tabs/liq, GH, slin, IGF2(peptides) from 1988 til 2004. Since then, I have been off, so to say I have been clean for a good 10 years.
Currently I am starting back again.
Doctors prescribing TRT, do more and more ask their patients to go the subQ mode, as it is more productive.