posted Wed, 07/16/2014 - 15:53
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Weeks 1-8 tren a 125mg eod
Weeks 1-8 test p 100mg eod
1-3 Dbol 50mg Ed
Weeks 1-8 anastrozole .5 e3d
Weeks 1-8 caber .25mg e3d
Pct= trt
Or since I am on trt @ 250mg week, test c
Weeks 1-8 test c 250mgs 2x a week
Weeks 1-8 tren a 100mg eod
Weeks 1-3 Dbol 50mg Ed
Anastrozole and caber same as above
Cycle history
This will be my 5th cycle, last cycle was test c, Deca, anadrol, and test p
Stats
Age 38
Height 5'9
Weight 204lbs
Bodyfat% 11.4% ( was 16% and 235lbs in January, been dieting like hell)
I've been reading different dosages for test p and tren a , some say go low test higher tren, some articles keep both doses equal. So I would appreciate some feed back from the eroids community.
Thanks
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I just read the thread.............. im not here to start rocking any boats!........ Tren is officially "back in the cupboard"....
I do have a lot more to offer but unfortunately its the wrong platform :( .. crazy that we have an age limit on the EBC of 21yrs old and last years 2nd place winner was 23 i think?...... but hey! lets leave the worlds most used compound in the box and in the dark..... FOR NOW
Stickies are out of date and the info is misconstrued because its been written by amateurs copying from books and age old info............ i simply thought i could bring a more upto date professional approach towards trenbolone use but never mind............ we can still discuss good ole testosterone lmfao!
the decision to change up the board is not made by one mod, we can take whatever's on your mind to the forum for discussion.
Nah nothing to discuss brother......... lets leave it be.
vike, this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^can be addressed at any time. the topic of who runs tren shouldnt have anything to do with the stickies. im sure everyone would love to read some better information.
but this^^^^^^^^^^^^we need to discuss as it would have a great impact on the site and how it functions. all mods have spent tons of time making sure the site functions as it currently does, people have been taught to keep it this way. So if we are gonna do any changes first of all we need to figure out exactly what you mean and get all mods and admin on the board.
if you have ideas lets talk about them thats how the site moves forward.
on a side note, I started pushing some people through that had applied for advanced steroid cycle section. with in the next few days there should be some people that can get in there now. if you havent applied do so now.
I just read this whole forum and must say it's definitely a different approach. So do we help young guys under 25 do we help them with tren. To me it's a double edge sword yes there will be some young guys that we can help but a lot of times a 21 year old isn't sensible enough to handle any critiques. They will do what they want to and there's no talking them down.me personally won't help the inexperienced run such compounds but I will respect and obey the mods decisions. I'm confused as to what the community wants done as a whole. I'll sit back and listen and read and will follow the direction of what u gentleman want this board to go.forum on this topic to help clear the air would be a great idea
I still think we could keep lid on the Tren kids and apply the same strict site rules to it at the same time as applying a fresh and up to date view on the compounds use, Especially if Vike is at the helm.
Like SDM said below, regardless of personal opinions I still respect and conform to the final MOD decision.
I agree. There is no good reason to encourage the youngsters to play with fire. We are all probably wrong at the end of the day for messing with what nature gave us but there is a big difference in ages and their maturity and often even income level to be able to afford the cure for what may pop up.
I think the reality is Vike that people are going to run it so I often wonder is it worth us holding back info. I can see arguments both ways so I'm totally on the fence here personally. Maybe the answer is we become more flexible on this 8-10 cycles / stage competitor parameters we have set? Again, I don't have the answer.
Just this week I've had three pm's from new members asking for help during a tren cycle with problems they've hit due largely to lack of research and/or experience. If it wasn't "taboo", could we have stopped these issues before hand with cycle advice? Probably. Would freely offering tren cycle advice encourage more tren use from the inexperienced? Also probably. It's an awfully tough call when you look at the big picture.
Irrespective of what I think, I'll support what you guys in the Mod control room want. If it's a green light on tren cycles (where appropriate obviously), I'll offer advice on it. One thing I do think we need to make sure is we're all consistent.
I'm seeing a mood change. Hey I guess I'll be learning more in the near future. still not using tren yet! Lol
I don't have a problem with cycle 1 other than the dbol. I'd also consider ed pinning rather than eod if the op can. For me it's the difference between insomnia and hardly any sleep issues with ed pinning.
As it's your first tren run if be inclined to go 50mg ed prop and 50mg ed tren a and adjust from there. Don't get too hung up on thus low test / high test premise, it's different for different people.
I'll probably go ed @ 50mg each.Thanks for your info.
Run cycle 1 but drop the D/bol............ prop/var cycle listed below is for girls lol.
Sorry guys but we must change our ways with how we constantly push tren into the dark corner!..... lets be honest EVERYBODY even the kids are running it and we constantly come across as the tren Anti-christ!... nobody knows how to run it properly because we never tell em fuck all!
Im getting sick of some people putting their foot on trens head when they themselves have ZERO to little experience with this compound.
If people choose to run tren and suffer horrendous sides thats tough! fkn deal with it, it was your choice to run it and welcome to the learning curve.... either run again or leave it well alone YOUR CHOICE!!
Around here lately there is far too much.. "DO AS I SAY... NOT AS I DO" attitude.
We have lightened up on a few issues lately i take it you have all noticed?... its time we lightened up on the tren issue because you know as well as i do, we aint never gonna stop folks from running it so lets bring a little knowledge to the board from those that have experience with it, not you guys that have used it once or twice because you know fuck all!.... and thats fact!
not sure what I think about this post, even though it says not to give advice if you have only ran it once or twice, I feel like this is gonna open the doors for a bunch of unsafe cycles. All the guys that dont see this post, but then sees others giving tren advice is gonna jump right in. and of course itll be the go to compound for everybody.
I know I dont want to be the guy MODding who should and shouldnt give out tren advice.
I don't think much needs to change. Were still never gonna suggest tren, if the user comes and proposes one of his first few cycles with tren then he stll gets shutdown. But if someone has a decent amount of experience and a good base and looks like hes done his homework then offer some advice. Cause until now you could be on your 10th cycle and used tren before and i would still try to convince them to drop the tren. So i know what viking says seems we just opened up the gates to tren, i don't think much is gonna or needs to change. You know what i mean?
Us as a community and the ones in the forums daily will have to try our best to keep it from getting out of hand.
yeah thatll be the day! we already have sections where people can get information on heavier cycling. if anything we should consider making it a little less difficult to get in as opposed to just throwing this out in the open forum.
Well just shit on my parade, lol. Like I said below, I'll still try and talk people out of it, and won't ever suggest it, just experiences. I thought this might have been a decision made in the front office. Sure V's account wasn't hacked? Lol
about 3 years ago when the forums were built to accommodate the site so that members would stop chatting in the review section this very topic became the forefront pretty quickly. I can't even begin to tell you the amount of hours I have spent in the section in an attempt to keep it "safe". there was a decision made in the "front office" back then, we did not want anybody to see the cycles of the more experienced members. and when I say anybody, I mean that this section can be viewed by people who are not signed into the site, never even made an account. so we put forth the effort and came up with the groups section, that section is secluded, can not be seen by people unless they are signed in, and can be regulated by membership only. this is why its there. If anybody wants to go over there and make a group and talk about whatever thats fine.
Got ya. I'll have to say though, it's a little unnerving with you guys not on the same page. I can see chaos like you said.
Well, the truth of the matter is that the kids are all running it, we're not gonna talk 'em out of it so maybe better say something constructive on its use than nothing at all? I can see also the scenario that every cycle's gonna be laden with Tren to the point of absurdity. Thyroid (T3) issues are common with it, so we're gonna have to loosen up on that too I suppose.
so let me ask you this then, should we start advising the kids under 25? they are gonna use them anyways
I realize the elements of the argument are the same. Tren? Kids under 25? I'm so glad this is a site management issue.
fucking golden!
I think I'll sit back and watch for a while and see how this develops before I get involved in any further cycle advice......
RustyhookerWith tren opening up and followed will be thyroid yet again, it'll take some guidance on what and how to answer.
Was just couple years ago a source gave away buckets of thyroid. Noone openly used it and the advanced folks used blood work first. Next thing it's posted everywhere as diet pill. It was not fun on forums.
well i will say this, for whats its worth. based on the stats and cycle history of the OP I would have advised him to go with cycle 1 but to just start that tren-a dose at 50mg/d...
who the fuck is this? and what have you done with Viking?? PMSL
good post and good to see the board are genuinely trying to help the guys who "know best"
look forward to reading up more on tren, not a personal choice and prob never will but just cause of its legendary status i like to see opinions on it
Wow, nice post! I'll go with cycle 1, dropping the dbol. Thanks for your info!
Thanks bro. I've had miserable runs and pleasant runs with it. I just never know. Still plenty in my stash.
Ya, you're right again bro. Tren is so overhyped on this board it's crazy. Or maybe I just handle it really well, but the only side I've had is I don't sleep longer then 5 hours and I get pisssed off easier, and I'm probably borderline crazy. No trouble falling asleep, barely any night sweats no tren dick nothing. Or maybe my tren is bunk lol. I do disagree with the prop var cycle being for girls. You watch me get shredded as fuck on 100-150mg prop eod and 50-100mg of var ed in the spring. Or maybe in wrong and it's not possible to achieve a decent level of conditioning with just that? I mean if people an get shredded naturally, then by adding prop and var you should be able to take it to a another level right?
But your right we shouldn't keep doing what were doing. So many people have proposed it and we talk them out of it and they say they agree but I bet there all full of shit and running it right now and fucking themselves up because we didn't tell them how to do it right. But idk, it's not fucking rocket science, there's 1000s of post on it online so if people really were just relying on posting on one forum for there info instead doing reaearch on there own they deserve to go through some uncomfortable side effects.
You're talking "cut"........ im talking ripped to fuck!!
NO WAY on this fkn planet would prop/var rip into me even with the best diet ever.. (maybe 30yrs ago but not now)
But you are only young yet so keep doing what you do :)) (sensible)
I think it's just a matter of following MOD protocol. For a while we weren't even entertaining the idea of Tren because that's not what the board wanted. So now if it's ok to discuss it more loosely then it still needs to be done in a responsible manner. I don't think it should be promoted or suggested. There still is a level that a user needs to be at before they decide to use Tren. If a guy is still on his first couple of cycles I'll still try and talk him out of it, but if he's dead set on using it then, I'll give my experiences with it. I'm not an expert of the compound, but can only give what I've found by my own experiences. It's still a dangerous compound.
Like V said it's their choice, so we can at least try and help them take the best approach possible.
I agree, nobody should say hey add tren to your proposed test only cycle, but if it seems the user has done his homework and has a decent amount of cycle experience and wants to use it then we should help them do it safely instead of shutting them down when most of the time theyre not gonna listen. Your right its a dangerous compound. We all respond differently, i might get no sides while the next guy does everything by the books and has a horrible experience.
Agreed, I think it's also probably the most unpredictable compound when it comes to sides. You could have two great runs then one that absolutely kills you.
Thats exactly what ive heard. I wonder why that is. Maybe one batch is underdosed and the next is on point. On one run you think your running 100mgs eod but its only 50% pure which means your only running 50mgs eod so the next time you up your dose to 150mgs eod but this batch is 90% pure so this time your running 135mgs eod. Thats and extra 297mgs of tren per week then the first run. That would definitely cause alot more sides then the first time.
Would you put poor grade fuel in your pride and joy?... NO!
Quit lining bathroom brewers pockets for second rate gear and start to use PREMIUM grade oils and realise what REAL results REAL gear brings.
Believe me, I know now. But just like learning how to train, eat, learn about gear it takes a while to realize who has the good gear. Go look at the fucking reviews for these "bathroom brewers". There all fucking stellar, then I use it and get bloods and find that it reflects a trt dose. To many noobs have no idea what good gear feels like and are just excited they didn't get ripped off and have some oil in a vial. I will say I have been lucky and have found some absolutely unbelievable gear domestic for cheap. But for every 1 good lab tjeres 10 bad. But you been doing this for 30+ years. You knkw exactly what good gear feels like. But if it's my first time using a compound I don't know what to expect. So it's tough. But from now on I'll be using only the huge international labs that actually make gear in a real factory with real quality controls, consistent high grade raws. I got an order coming now from a lab that you recently reviewed. Every aspect of this game has a learning curve. It takes time to figure everything out.
Just had to throw my 2 cents in here with my tren experience. On test cyp TRT so kept that as my test base added tren a 100ml eod and mast p 100ml eod and proviron 50ml split am/pm. Went for 4 weeks minimal sides, night sweats, some insomnia, felt good overall. Then switched to tren e and mast e because I don't like to pin eod along with the cyp went to twice a week pins 125ml cyp, 200 tren e, 200 mast e along with the proviron. The sweats and the insomnia continued, but my mind went to this dark place that I could not shake away from after about 3 weeks. Now the tren e came from a different source that had a mass spec of over 90%(now there is some controversy about the mass spec I see, but that's another story). Anyway I bailed on the cycle and it took a couple of weeks for the tren e to clear and feel much better. The results from the tren were amazing, fat loss and the muscle stayed on. So think the tren e was just better than the tren a or does the ester make a difference or perhaps just the length of time I was on the compound had something to do with my journey to the "evil dark place"? Fr sent. Like your style irongame, your posts are full of wisdom!
I would say just by looking it was the level drop you may have had switching from Ace to Enanthate. Ace was gone within a matter of days and Enanthate would have taken about three weeks to build levels back up. So during this time is when you were in this "dark" place. You were still at TRT dose with the Tren. Then you take Tren out all together and up your Test dose. So I'd say after about 3 weeks the Test and Tren E kicked in and you felt normal again. Just my thoughts on it.
I started the tren e but stayed with the tren a for ten days so the fluctuation would hopefully be minimal. This also taught me a big lesson that changing up esters mid cycle probably not a good idea. I really want to have another go with tren, need to psyc up and get my mind in the "right space". The changes to the physic are so profound. It did to my body exactly what I wanted it to do. No other compound I can say that!
I'm in that dark place now. No night sweats I sleep for about 5 hours a night, I'm quick to get mad and I'm a fucking nut job crazy person. Tren will fuck with your mind.
Gotta be super-calm and at ease with everything to help control the DEVILS PISS! brotha
Few years back i had a line up of shows more or less back to back so i had to stay ON the tren (hex +ace) for just short of a year!!...... hard,hard going let me tell ya but i survived to tell the tale lol
Holy shit! A year, Idk if i could do it. Im just very aware of my short fuse and i handle it pretty well. My thoughts are just super irrational and I talk to myself all day lol. And shit that happened 4 months ago that i didm think twice about I'm fixated on now and all pissed off about it. Idk how you made it a year. Im so ready to be done with this shit. Youre the second person who's been using gear since the 80s that ive talked to that said parabolan is stronger then ace or e. Idk why that is, its just a different ester, and its longer then ace so in theory you should get more of the hormone from ace. I just just checking out prices for parabolan from, well you know who, and it would cost me a small fortune to run it at a good dose for 8-10 weeks. Basically the same price as primo. Do you think getting it from them and being hex the dose could be lower then what i used for tren a? Cause if not I'm gonna have to go talk to the bank about a loan lol.
Did you find the "dark place" easier to deal with as your experience grew or did you just like the results so much that you went "fuck it I'll put up with this shit"?
I never suffer from insomnia bro luckily.... it does turn me into an animal i must admit but in my case i channel all that pent up aggression into training and tunnel vision to hit the goal i.e - the comp....... i think this year will be my last on stage so my plan is to never use tren again as i find there is no real need without the comp goal to aim for...... i can get very nearly in tren condition running primo and masteron with the same super strict diet and everyday training in place.
Over the years i have never suffered that much really from tren up until my last run with it a few months ago, usual heavy sweats and bad tempers which i can handle no problem, but this time everything just felt "wrong"... dizzy spells, a feeling like a skin was growing over my eyeballs which was pretty daunting, i did everything just as i always do with no big alterations or nothing stupid but like i say i just "felt wrong" :(.... i quit the parabolan and booted up some deca to keep the nandro balance in the devised stack and still felt totally shit so i dropped all 19s and after a couple of weeks started feeling better.
Only thing i can blame on this occasion was the broken wrist i was nursing and having to train around..... not be able to work the whole body to its usual intensity must have been the detriment i think with a ton of 19 pulsing through my body and not being given a real chance to work to its full potential therefore leaving me feeling like a bag of shit.
I am fully fit again now and running Hex with zero issues as normal......... just goes to show the slightest glitch can throw us way off normal balance and funtion brother.
Won't go down the tren road again until I've got my mental ducks in a row. A little too much worry in my life at the moment. You would think at my age there should be some calm, but no, just more "when's this going to end". Sure love what the tren does for my look and now I know what to expect with the"dark side" I will be better prepared for sure! Question for you though, how much different tren hex from tren e?
Exaclty, everything needs to be almost perfect in your life. Espeically your relationship with your wife/gf or content and happy being single. As well as everything else in life, work, school finances etc. If thats all good then you should do alright. but we all respond different. I don't sweat, i sleep, just not more then 4-5 hours but ill nap some days. Im just quit to get mad, and my mind fucks with like i was saying in that post above. But thats aright, i can deal with talking to myself. I don't have anyone else to talk to anyways lol. It hasn't been that bad at all. Im rpety sure my tren is garbage tho so that might have something to do with it. Theres noway I'm handing the dose I'm on so well, and not to mention my diet and training are fucking perfect and i cant see results have been that crazy.
My wife trains so she's pretty cool. My ex on the other hand is a big problem and she's got my 13yr old daughter so that's a massive problem. But it's not really anger with me, I just felt detached and depressed and lethargic. Even the insomnia wasn't so bad, wake up every 3hrs but would get back to sleep. Training was tougher but still saw great results. Changed my diet to full vegan and that sent me to full recomp which is what I wanted. Hard to describe how I felt exactly, like I was standing in a dark corner all the time. I'm going to give it a go again next run, maybe hex is a better route than ace or e.
It definitely can mess with your mind.