posted Mon, 07/18/2016 - 08:40
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Thoughts on running proviron with masteron?
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Hey guys,
Wanted to ask if there would be any benefit of running proviron if I'm already running 100mg mast prop daily? I know they are basically the same compound, but I've heard some people claim better results with both. I have the proviron on me right now, but wanted to get some opinions before I add it in.
Thanks ya'll.
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RustyhookerI run that combo BUT check that day to level week 5. Crashed estrogen and you will not grow. That combo is dose dependant AND depends on quality. Last cycle I ran 750 dust and mast 400 with provi...i was too dry. But you won't know without blood work. Then you're just dumping 30 bucks a week down the toilets
SAW PALMETTO. Look it up. Post findings here
Thanks bro. i feel like estro has crashed to be honest. and i'm not growing. dry like no other tho. i stopped taking exemestane for a bit and have lowered mast dose to 100 eod. any idea on how to fix my estro? i'm going in tomorrow for my bloods, but I'm almost certain estro is low as hell.
For saw palmetto, looks like its a dht inhibitor from what i can tell. but i take 1mg finasteride (prescribed) daily so I don't think the saw palmetto would be necessary. Actually have been taking 2mg finasteride for 2 months now, but dropped to 1mg yesterday.
Before you try and "fix" your estro, lets see what the bloodwork says. Let us know what the bloodwork says and then we can figure out what to do to get you back on track.
Rustyhooker^^^^^^this. Estrogen and prolactin check
Adding some provi into a cycle is usually always a good idea. I don't know what else you are running, but the combo of mast and provi could crash your estro, which is not going to be pleasant.
Thanks for your input bro. +1
I'm running 100mg test prop daily, 100mg tren A eod, and now switched from mast prop dialy to eod. I'm also running 12.5mg exemestane daily, 50mg var daily, and 50 mg proviron daily(lowering the proviron dosage to 25mg now). Oh and I use 250iu hcg eod and caber .5mg every monday and thursday
as for me this is too many dehydrotestosterone derivated drugs to use simultaneously. Proviron may better as probably any other drug reduce SHBG and increase free testosterone in blood = better cycle efficiency. Masteron being an injectable drug does not influence SHBG as much as proviron due to the missing first pass through the liver. I would say combination of both would give a better synergic effect, but side effects typical for DHT are also more likely. If you care about your hair, better not to use multiple DHT-based drugs at one moment or high dosages of one drug. It might be your receptors are genetically sensitive to it and you start loosing hair. 100 mg/day is a pretty high dosage of masteron. Also, important is what is your weight and body fat %. This stack will provide harder and leaner muscle view for those who has BF closer to the competitive level, but if you have BF about 12% or more, think twice before you start using both drugs simultaneously, the effect will be not so noticeable. i personally would add a bit proviron, but lower masteron dosage also. don`t say anything about dosages, because know nothing about your weight and experience. Proviron itself is a pretty weak drug, despite its 150% anabolic activity index as per scientific sources.
Thanks bro. I really appreciate the detailed feedback. I actually am prescribed finasteride at 2mg daily, so that will take care of any conversion to dht I believe. i have to be careful with things like tren that dont effect the alpha 5 reductase enzyme. My weight is 211 and my bodyfat is currently 10 percent. I honestley keep the masteron high for better performance in the bedroom haha. plus 1.
em... does your doctor know that you are on cycle? I ask because of the following.
finasteride is an effective 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor and it might be helpful to reduce conversion of endogenous or exogenous testosterone into dehydrotestosterone through 5-alpha reductase enzyme. This is DHT the reason of so called male pattern boldness in 99% of cases, not testosterone itself.
BUT
you have in your cycle DHT-derivatives. They dont need to be converted into DHT, they do already have a chemical structure similar to DHT and act like DHT, incl. respective side effects. So, 5-alpha-reductase is not involved into any conversion process here, thus, finasteride will be just helpless here. It will only help to reduce conversion of testosterone into DHT, but wont reduce side effects of masteron or proviron.
Finasteride is pretty hard to be controlled. You need continuous blood works to see individual reaction of your hormonal system to it, which is pretty expensive. But without blood works you can go too far with it and have very unpleasant side effects, incl. low libido, bad mood, weakness and other symptoms, if your DHT level was killed too low.
Finally, DHT is the most potent man hormone/androgen, not testosterone as many think. Exactly DHT is a good booster of muscle development. If you kill it, your cycle efficiency will be reduced significantly.
But the most important is that it wont help to fight against loss of hair if you use exogenous DHT-derivatives. So, probably you need to try also other auxiliaries. I heard minoxidil helps good; one of my gym mates is taking it when on cycle and happy with results, but there is a need to start taking it 1-2 month before you are are going to launch a cycle. Also I heard an opinion that minoxidil may adversely influence your natural hair growth after you stop using it. But i am not sure about this. Youd better need to ask a doctor who prescribed finasteride to you. I only know that minoxidil is a real solution on DHT-based cycles and it does not influence cycle-efficiency or hormonal system, it is a fluid for outward application only.
My doctor prescribed the finasteride for the cycle. I said I take nioxin shampoo, conditioner, and hair spray. That is all minoxidil 10% percent in different transdermal forms. Let me also say this is not a regular physician, this is a hair specialist MD who I've been seeing for 3 years. She has prescribed me dosaged of 1mg to 3mg finasteride in the past and I we analyzed bloodwork and phenotypic results for each dosage. 2mg yielded the best benefit/side effect ratio. Finasteride at that dosage won't hinder my cycle as she assured me. I don't plan on stopping minodoxil.... I am scheduled for a hair transplant in 4 months so minodoxil rebound is the least of my worries. I also go over my blood work with her every 6 weeks(meaning i get my bloodwork every 6 weeks). Thanks for giving your input. I'll ask my doctor about this again. Although she did say listen to a medical doctor and not people on the internet because I initially kept saying finasteride is gonna kill my gains and she was like no....
well, if a doctor says this... I have never used finasteride, so I dont have personal experience with it. Probably 2 mg are indeed not enough to influence a cycle efficiency largely. I think it does not even matter in this particular case, because you have masteron in stack, which is not exposed to finastrides impact. Hence, cycle efficiency shall probably not descend.
True. Good info.
Sensible. +2
Im running mast with proviron as we speak
BUT i just heard yesterday that masteron and proviron fight for the same receptors,
I believe they do, but I don't know much detail. Could be wrong.
I'm running 25mg provi with mast p and primo e (not mentioning dosages in case of noobs)
Taking 1060mg saw palmetto daily as precaution.
You think 50mg proviron and 100mg mast p is too much?. I am prescribed 2mg finasteride daaily. I also use Nioxin shampoo, conditioner, and topical spray. I have run proviron at 75mg daily in the past and my hairline has been fine. Hair is looking great right now also.
50mg provi and 100mg mast p per day? Too much for me. I'd run 25mg/day provi and 100mg eod mast prop. Now, if staying hair friendly is a concern of yours, I'd figure out what the minimum needed amount is to get the desired effect. No need to use more than needed.
Thanks bro I'm gonna follow your protocol of 100mg eod and 25mg provrion daily.
bigmurphThats alot of dht hows your hair line any issues?
I'm balding, so not keeping track to be honest. I shave my head with no guard on the clippers. I have MPB and am more worried about my prostate. Edit: dropping mast and adding var last 4 weeks. I love dht based compounds.
bigmurphI do the same zero haircut as you so I know all about it. Thats why I was curious. Enjoy the var brother
With you on the dht hype. I have thin hair, but its remained the same since I was 19 (currently 27). I actually am getting a transplant procedure done soon which involves inserting the hair follicles on the back of my head to lacking areas.