posted Mon, 09/04/2017 - 12:23
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I'm been thinking about cruising on 5% testosterone gel or just straight water or oil suspension in order to reduce detection times. It my understanding that topical applications will not be detectable due to not having an eater attached. Anyone know of a source that sells Test Gel?
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Test gel is biggest crock of fucking shit I have ever heard off. Do you jack off with it when you put it on. Other than that you aren't using it right!
-1 for admitting you are a wanker
-1 for acting like you don't wank.
Matter of fact. AndroGel has way too much alcohol to whack off with. Needs to be cut 3 - 1 with Astroglide.
This should be a sticky!! LOL
Took me a secind to get that one lol
Well done sir, well done indeed haha
I work way too many hours in a hot steel mill & I'm a special kind of funny:))
(NO HOMO)
RustyhookerHahahaha!!!! Coffee thru nose!
Lmao!
Pair of fcukers!!!!!
You are just making bad decision after bad decision fella
Looking for co-signers and sources for self prescribed TRT when your history of AAS use, failure to manage hormones correctly, self-medication to mask health issues is both worrying and accelerating
Then we have Dr Nonsense below co-signing your use of test susp, desipte your past mistakes!
Take the real advice below, go to a doctor. For you, npp is a damsging masking agent, nothing else
Thanks for the candid response. I'm curious on what sort of doctor I should seek out? I've seen an Osteopath in the past and he seems to just want to inject me with Cortisone. My GP signed off on my bloods just over 6 weeks ago. I'm receptive to your advice, and will follow through with it. I just want to know what direction to go and what tests to ask for.
RustyhookerYour GP saw the blood test and should send you to endocrinologist. Thats who you need to work with closely. No cycles or cheats. Get your life centered first
I seriously need to find a new doctor. I went to get my blood drawn and the "the doctor asked why so concerned, your last test was not that bad". Regardless lads, I'm searching for an endocrinologist to take my results to when they come in.
Blood pressure today was at. 116/70
you dont need a new dr.
ive had a few things out of range and when they are slightly out of range it was not that big of deal with my doc.
lots of items were back in range next bloods. we can get great advice here on eroids, but we are not docs. We can see things out of range and suggest seeing a doc, and you did.
The irony in this post is something else!
Thanks... I completely understand. Regardless of the results, I think it may be wise to have an endocrinologist established. At the end of the day, I want to be the best version of myself.
To recapp,
Why do you need short detection times?
Why do you feel you need an endo over your GP?
I participate in a controlled sport, and the federation has been seeking out athletes, at competition for testing. I am completely aware that taking 100mg of Testosterone and 45mg of nandralone a week is cheating, although I'm highly skeptical that's it's added any performance at all, unless one can say not having articur joint pain is a performance based edge on your competition. I'm also aware that nandralone has incredibly long metabolite detection times and have to drop it all together.
My original ask was more for long term planning, 1 year to 18 months out. I was hoping that I could use gel or oil suspension as a replacement for my current prescription of Testosterone Cyp. Without TRT my natural hormone level is low 200s and I have all the associate sides I low T. My motive for forgoing a prescription of gel is the unreal associated cost of ive been quoted for 5% gel. For the cost of 1 month of gel I could buy 6 months of testosterone Cyp or propionate.
i dont know about sports drug testing,
is it ok to be on dr prescribed trt?
and to giardap, op has a longstanding relationship with a doctor. i dont see any reason to get him freaked out and seeking a new dr.
I know and that's what is ironic!
Your advice would see him back on his 200mg shot every 14 days if he listedend to you and his GP, IGNOring how he feels and ending up not looking for an expert doctors advice but seeking ad ixe from gymbros online!
P.'S. I don't think anyone is freaking him out but not getting the right help over time might
Did you neg me, let me know so I can neg you back. Suggesting OP keep working with his existing DR is not bad advice. Getting him worked up about some bloodwork that is slightly out of range ( that has been reviewed by a real DR) is neg worthy.
Or he could talk to his existing Dr about changing to weekly injections ( his DR already did this from what I've read)
He has leg cramps and joint pain. Does that really mean he needs an endo? or is it just a 40 year old dude trying to be an athlete at a pro level?
Cramps do not require an endo to treat, and there is a huge list of things that can cause joint pain. Things probably better suited to working out with his GP.
And another thing that's occurring to me...
Between 3 of us, myself, you, rusty... we have each given him 3 slightly different directions
Stick with current doc and talk it out
Go to endo but don't talk about insurance flags
Go to super-doc and check everything
Ultimately the goal is to get him the right help, regardless of route
@giardap & @CBBurr
Not to change the subject, but you're both thinking right & I love you both
(NO HOMO) Lol
LOL!
and all of us agree on a real doctor.
that's a good thing
RustyhookerIm now windering why he's wanting to switch from trt to gel just for a sport. If he's tested and had medical proof, it used to be test to epitosterone ratio that was checked. Maybe the message has been dilluted by now?
The thought being to leverage propionate or short ester compounds as competition nears, then switch to gel or suspension as these type are undetectable. A doctors note or a medical excuse won't cover it, unfortunately. So the gel is a stop gap measure, 20-30 days at a time.
I hate to break it to you but even though the gel doesn't spike , it is still very much detectable.
beating a performance-enhancing drug test sounds pretty fucking tricky. Seems like it takes a team of Russians to get away with it
A long time ago you could do it by taking several drugs in specific ratios.Now the test are so sensitive it's almost impossible.Now the Russians are good at finding thing tha fit outside of testing protocols.This however has become very tricky hence the elaborate scheme they are in trouble for now,were they actually had infiltrated the lab used in Russia and replaced positive samples with clean ones.Seens to be a lot more easy just to let the athletes use and compete.The real winner then is the fans
Well apparently the American baseball players has been getting away with gel and lozenges for some time. TBH I'm not sure it will work but have been told it does. Even substances like Clomid is off limits because it could boost natural test levels.
Baseball players weren't tested with USADA standards and it was also random.They catch them now and even with gel creams and lozenges.The new test don't look at ratios,which are easy to beat,but look at substances,substrates and even metabolites,and are much harder to beat or cheat.Baseball is still random so some will still get away with use.One advantage of the gel is if you get a notice of test instead of a surprise test your levels will have dropped by test time,since it leaves the system very fast.
Of course
Dude, you should ask OP all of your questions if you're interested... I don't necessarily disagree with training versus age some other points at all... God knows I know what training hard at this age feels like and how its impacts on... well everything I suppose, can deepen. But 1 you misread my advice to him and 2 telling him to stick with his gp is absolutely terrible advice consider his approach to TRT At a minimum.
Again ironic because you advocate he stay with a doctor that proved himself uneducated in hormone therapy, that OP had to persuade to change his pinning schedule and allow him to self administer. The fact the GP (general practitioner) is incompetent, the fact that you ask more questions than the GP and the fact you advise him to return to the GP is a sort of triple whammy of irony.
LOok we could debate between us the issue of ranges etc. But I do not see how you can big up a general practitioner with something as important as hormone replacement when they have gotten it wrong from day 1. He needs much better advise than that an a holistic expert is the better route to patient treatment rather than symptom treatment.
It's a pretty big issue out there in.... general (pun intended)
so you can declare a Dr incompetent from this thread. smfh
biweekly injections work for lots of guys, and when op asked to modify his dr worked with him.
His approach to trt for this man was incompetent, sure. He delayed a solution through an awful pinning schedule, through not listening to his patient properly. That's absolutely not good.
You think it was a competent approach?
I don't think he should get freaked out but he should see an endo.In fact all of us who "supplement"owe it to ourselves to see someone who is experienced.GPs are not the best choice.We have one in my home town who will prescribe TRT to people with test at 850.God bless him for the body builder but probably not the most rational doctor.
RustyhookerOverkilling estro is easy to overlook. Agree on age as well.
Age: 40
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 190
BF:
My results should be in by Friday of this week. I will
Post them when available. From an endocrinologist standpoint is there anything I should be conscious of? For instance should be 100% with my AAS usage?
RustyhookerYou should not tell dr you're using. And you should not use til endo has you a good year on track.
That's the million dollar question
Osteopath well... unless they do art and you have an actual soft tissue issue I'd steer clear
I think though that you do need someone holistic that also has expert knowledge. A gp is a generalist by trade who usually sees ranges only. It is what is is.
Can you share your full bloods? Maybe there is a trend at the extremities of the ranges that's masking an underlying problem
Who diagnosed your TRT or is it you using a self diagnosed trt dose?
So yes, my GP diagnosed me with low testosterone and prescribed 200mg every 14 days. I was seeing him about 2 years for each injection at his office and my levels were highly inconsistent and I felt abysmal about half the time. I then convinced him into letting self administrator my testosterone, but get full panels every 3 months. Doing so I was able to inject more frequently, with smaller doses. I feel this was the best approach. Also there were situations where I would travel out of town and miss my scheduled appointment and I would have to go 3 weeks between injections which was less than optimal.
I will post test results shortly.
I hope the was the appropriate process for posting images. Below are the labs.
https://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/104945/LABS1_0.jpg
https://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/104945/LABS2.jpg
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https://www.eroids.com/pics/lab-tests-post-cycle-6-weeks
yeah some of the GP TRT approaches are redundant at best
Ok post the full lot and I and others I am sure will see if we can spot any trends or flags
Some of the lads on here are pretty knowledgeable from a med perspective and are bound to help.... Wont take the place of a decent holistic-oriented endo with experience of TRT, Thyroid, and all other hormonal bits n pieces for men
I appreciate the advice, quality information is hard to come by these days. I'm making it my top priority to seek out an endocrinologist in the coming days.
I've posted my results and will continue to provided updates on future labs tests.
This is what I see...
Electrolytes:
Out of balance.... Low chloride (from sodium) yet normal sodium - your likely flushing out sodium, pish test would tell for sure
Potassium not tested, this is a biggy considering chloride is low
Likely you are drinking to much water or else diluting via water retention...
Liver:
Mildly elevated enzymes with ALP downish. Could be due to muscle breakdown or mild organ damage, or mineral/vit deficiencies (zinc and D)
You need a flush and liver support, very very important
Blood:
RBCs and Hematoc are up, but RDW up and MCV/MCM down make you technical anaemic, and likely an iron deficiency
Need an Iron panel and ferritin to be sure
Hormones:
Estrogen is elevated
Possibly leading to an element of water retention
If you put that together, you are iron deficient, could be zinc/D deficient and need liver support fast. You're probably retaining water, definitely dehydrated which is causing an electrolyte imbalance. You need potassium tested. But notably dehydration and low electroly's causes muscle soreness and also joint pain.
I recommend you get back to a doctor that can help you, not whoever signed off on this mess (just being honest). You also need an endo who can discuss metabolic/adrenals/thyroid and of course your testo plans.
You're missing a lot from your blood panel and are running elevated estro, somewhat - maybe its normal for you, but maybe not and maybe causing water retention along with not drinking enough water
IF loading with water, you might need to get fluids from a mixed source, I say coconut WATER (not milk) - loaded with electro's.
Get thee to the right doctor. RBC's etc are all wrong and I would worry about blood pressure and heart too, need chol tested too of course.
You need medical advice from someone who can properly test, interpret and advise...
I finally was able to spend so time going over my results with a new GP. Based on what he’s sees and what I told him, he’s not concerned about the elevated liver enzymes. He optimistic that will all bounce back in time. He is however concerned about my ferritin and Iron levels. He believes that it may be from all the phlebotomies I’ve had this year (too many to count) which I’m guessing is 7-9 pints of blood a 10 month period. My previous GP would freak the fuck out as soon as my HCT would get over 50. Which I completely understand. My new GP also suggested that is possible I could be losing blood through my GI so that will be tested on the near term.
My new GP would like me to take an iron supplement for a while, although the one he suggested is 45mg ED which seems significant. When I first started TRT I was on a basic men’s multi vitamin which had 15mg and my HCT would shoot up pretty quickly. I was going phlebotomies every 60 days.
Any thoughts on Iron supplementation while on Test? I realize it’s seems fairly benign but, from what I’ve read Iron can really make a huge difference, positively or negatively.
Labs posted
Wow, and thanks! I'm schedule for a full workup tomorrow morning. This is what I will be asking for.
Assay of Potassium
Iron Panel
Assay of Ferritin
Assay of Estradiol
Complete CBC w/ WBC
Assay of sex hormone globul
Assay of total testosterone
Assay of PSA
liver analysis ALT / AST
Full lipid & cholesterol panel
Have I missed anything?
What are the short term suggestions on "liver flush"? I've been taking the usual milk thistle and tudca for the past 5 weeks.
Unfortunately I'm seeing the doctor that signed off on my last test. However once I have the results in hand I will take them to an endocrinologist.
Also I haven't mentioned it before, but I've had dreadful leg cramps along with the joint pain for the past year. Perhaps the potassium test will reveal some truth as to why?