posted Tue, 12/22/2015 - 02:28
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I have always taken test enanthate around 600mg a week stacked with deca, eq, or tRen e. Will a lower dosed prop inj EOD ( test 100mg, mast 100mg, and tren a 100mg) produce good results or should I up the dose or injection schedule.
Planning to take masteron, test, tren at around 400 mg a week each for 10 weeks. Should I go higher to around 500mg or 600mg?
Trying to lose a good amount of bf but while also gaining muscle mass.
My experience with short acting hormones is limited.
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Rustyhooker...op posted pic. Solid!
https://www.eroids.com/pics/selfie-pre-cycle
any chance of a self pic?.... 14yrs of training should have done you proud......
It's up.
I should have some saved to my computer. I have been working out off and one since 18 not straight thru though. I wish.
Had kids, joined the military, got deployed over seas etc. I have been back hard the last year but there are gaps in my training time
Excus any grammar errors or spelling I am using my phone at work and have to hide it... not really supposed to be on it so i.am typing quickly
RustyhookerThis looks like a disaster in the making. Smh at the lot.
How so, I was more or less curious if what I read was true or not. The person whom wrote it kinda made a valid argument but I am unsure of its validity.
RustyhookerIve tried to hit both gains and cuts. For me, I cant do it and from what I've seen you gotta pick a battle.
If your goal is 220 hard cut then its bulk up to 235 lean. Then try a cutting DIET to desired look.
Tren imo is harsh. The shutdown flat sucks. If cutting then its diet that dictates the cut. Gear can assist in preserving the muscle but its diet that puts you in using fats for energy. I like using other options than tren.
What do u prefer? I used tren once 2 years ago and it was rough... Tren flu for two week, night sweat, super oily skin, restlessness, etc..
I have leaned up taking test and mast, so many people recommend the 3 together I thought I would give it ago at lower dosed so the side might be more comfortable this time around
RustyhookerHarden up. Test/mast/var. 600/300/50 (8-14)
Add a few pounds test/eq/mast 450 test/750eq/300 mast. Dry cycle.
Short esters. Prop/mast/var prop75/mast 75/var 50 every day pins. Clean meals. 8 weeks...var last 6
Or test/eq/ var....many options. More mild with less shutdown and sides. Eq is roughly 16+ weeks unless you use bold cyp, faster acting. Short esters are nice when your diet is on point. You look solid so can do short esters, pct...run again 14 weeks later with good bloods of course.
Even a simple test and var. Var 8-14 right til pct. A 600/50.
Why I keep posting var? Highly anabolic. Hold that muscle while foods are clean. Strength boost is awesome. Mild on system. Kills my hunger so eating my clean calories is a snap without wanting to eat cheats.
Never tried anavar. When I was younger I was more focused on size (bulk) rather the actual quality of my physique overall. Hardness and definition, vascularity etc. Is more of what I am aiming for now.
Masteron works well for me so I am curious about taking anavar and mast with test. I have already ordered a good portion of what I plan to use but definitely plan to incorporate anavar in a future cycle. Thanks.
RustyhookerKeep us updated. Vike will poke in to. He's genius with different twists. You've been cool in here so helping has been fun. Merry Christmas!
RustyhookerOrigional stats Age: 31Height: 5'9"Weight: 198BF: 17?
So in 4 cycles you've made good gains. Whats your goal? You cant do both. Suggest posting a full cycle plan with foods, goals and routine.
I will try to post when I get off work later
32yrs old
Bf around 12% right now
5' 9" 205.
I life 5 times a week after work. And do 20m in of cardio after lifing.
Still working on my diet and will be upping my cardio weekly as my endurance increases.
Not planning on putting on mass during this cycle. Perhaps I should have phrased my first post different. Want to focus on losing a significant portion of body but staying where I am at weight wise.
Been training heavy the last year. But have been lifting since 18. I am not trying to gain much mass on this cycle. Trying to preserve my current muscle mass but improve on hardness, definition, and vascularity.
My question is since you propionate is a smaller ester your getting more of the hormones per shot compared to a heavy ester like enanthate or cypinate. So would a lower dose of something like and acetate or prop be more effective or equal to a larger dose of cyp or enanthate?
Would 500 mg of test or Tren prop equal out to something close to 600mg of enanthate
Damn that's a good question. 12% you're pretty Damn lean, this cycle + clean eating should have you pretty damn cut. I'm sure somebody more knowledgeable will answer your question soon, I would think 500mg is 500mg, short esters just hit sooner. But I could be wrong....
RustyhookerWrong...very wrong. And prop does not gave a weekly dose. Its dead in 2 days and gone.
Ahh, yeah I didn't mean pin 500mg at once of prop hooker! Lol he said he was pinning eod or ed. What is the difference mg wise from e to prop on say 600mg a week of the two? Thanks for dropping some knowledge, learn something new everyday
I will have to search in my browser history when I get off work for the original source of my post.
Basically the ester molocules differ in weight with enanthate being heavier then prop. The ester chain on enan that is longer and heavier molecularly then prop.
When you say 250mg test enanthate, a portion of that measurement is made up of the ester weight. So it may actually only have 225actual mg of testosterone with the rest of the weight being made up of the ester chain. Where as 250mg of propionate has lighter ester chain so it takes less out of the measurement maybe 230 or 240mg of test and the rest ester.
Thinking of it like that your getting more test per shot with a smaller ester. I am not speaking of shot schedules or shot volume. Just how much actual test is in the mg. The ester chain weighs something so it has to take up a portion of volume somewhere.
So wouldn't 100mg of test prop produce higher blood levels versus 100mg of test. Enanthate because each mg contains less ester weight and more actual test molecularly?
Do you find lower doses of fast acting hormones to be more effective then longer acting ones?
Test NE has more hormone per 100mg then prop because no ester takes up weight. Prop has more per 100mg then enanthate, enanthate should have slightly more then cypionate. The doses are measured by weight and esters has weight so they have to detract from the overall amount of hormone per dose. Right? The differences may be minimal but there has to be a difference
My weight may have gone up to closer to 14, I have not checked my bf in about 7 weeks. But I am fairly lean now. Perhaps I will focus more on bulking a bit and lose more in a few months.
My diet is kinda difficult right now anyway. I work offshore and am unable to make food decisions on my own alot of times. I have to eat in the galley and options are limited.
I read on eroids or perhaps another board previously that since a longer acting ester is molecularly heavier then short there is less active hormone per mg then in something like prop. I saw it broken down, someone did the math calculations, but can't remember where. But part of the ester chain takes up weight in the molecule.
I wish I had bookmarked where I got that info from. But basically 400mg enanthate has less actual testosterone then 400 mg of prop/ace because part of the 400 mg is taken up by a larger/heavier ester chain. I don't believe it creates a significant difference. Like maybe -20 mg per 500mg, but was just curious. Did I explain that okay?
Leaning out while gaining mass isn't going to happen. What is your bf% ? Have you anything for Prolactin ? Need more info bro
What would you resommend for prolactin? I have taken tren and deca before with no ill effects. But perhaps I should be better prepared just in case. Caberoline? Or are there better options.
Caber, prami seems to have too many sides. I'll be running.5 m/t when I run the cutmix I have on hand. It's 50/50/50 per ml test prop, tren a, mast a. Will be pinning 1ml eod for 6-8 weeks.
I use letro for my estro, should I cut it out or run letro and caber?
Tren definitely doesn't give you mass while leaning out.. ;)
Diet dictates that, even with tren brotha lol but I definitely hear you :-)
100% agree with you. Diet is key!
What's your stats and history ,my friend
Big HomieI will be the first to say this diet will do the most for your BF. When I have done this cycle my test is always been higher then my tren. So mine would look something like this
Test P 200mg
Tren A 150
Mast P 100
And I pin every other day. But everyone is different. You really have to do d what works for you I just wanted to give you an idea. Hope this helps.