posted Sun, 04/07/2013 - 03:54
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Test prop/anavar/clen/igf1lr3 cutting cycle?
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Stats are 24 y.o 210 lbs 18%bf diets clean 70p/20c/10f about 2100cals
Ive done 1 prior cycle
I'm trying to cut up
weeks 1-8 test prop 75mg/eod
weeks 5-8 anavar 50mg/ed
weeks 6-13 igf-1-lr3 60mcg/ed
week 9-12 clomid 50/50/50/50 nolva 50/50/25/25
weeks 1-12 adex .25ed (to reduce water retention)
weeks 1-12 clen taper 20mcg-120mcg 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, off weeks will be eca
On cycle support liv52, b6, bcaa
what do you guys think about this cycle
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AnonThanks everyone for the feedback after consideration of all your comments im gonna do a 1-12 test-e 600mg
1-18 Adex .25eod
14-18 clomid/nolva 50/50/50/50 - 50/50/25/25
10-18 igf-1lr3
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkProper diet will drop body fat brotha. There is no magic pill to make you look like Arnold over night.. you need to hit the breaks.. I'm still a rookie but I'm glad I haven't made the mistakes you have....I've seen your cycles and who ever is giving you advice needs to slap himself lol. Take a break from gear for a few months... start back with TestE500mg 1-12 split 250mg Monday / Thursday
Start adex week 3-4 .25ml EOD start pct two weeks after last pin... keep it simple bro !! Work on your diet, start carb cycling to burn that bf%... I see it this way 30%gym 70%diet !
AnonYeah bro i was takin advice from a guy who i now know is on TRT so i don't think i wanna follow his role. I now have done my research I've read alot and I've wanted to go against what everyone's said because im stubborn but im gonna stay open minded and keep it simple and just stick with test only.
Props brotha !!! Keep it simple... once your done with this cycle take your break should be equal to cycle and pct. That mean 16 weeks off ... let your receptors clear up and let your nuts come back .. take it one cycle at a time bro.. don't worry about the gear you have bought already... 4-8 year shelf life on gear bro.. so you will get to use them later in the future... I'm on my 11th week of my first cycle of tests500 but I have 40+vials of gear just stashed!!! Im a fucking hoarder lol ... diet is key to what goals you want .. gear is just a supplement to help you get their
AnonYeah I've been big on diet the last 6months I've dropped almost 8%bf doing so so my diet is pretty on point now its going over it with a fine tooth comb. So that's y i'd really like to gear up the right way. And then I'm gonna take about a year off i think it's gonna be a yearly thing.
24 years old and running this much shit is rediculous bro. your natty test is still high as fuck,,, unless you have clearly hit a plateau and you are a hardcore lifter that looks jacked to the potential of your body, i disadvise this much gear, 12 weeks of clen is fucking rough bro, 1 prior cycle is it...drop the anavar, waste of money at your bodyfat percent, stay simple bro,, 12 weeks enanthate, prop, cyp, or sust, clean diet, minor calorie deficit throughout cycle but keep up on protien and do cardio,, the gear and the adex will help keep your body anabolic while on diet,, example, my last cycle of 12 weeks of sust on a calorie deficit i dropped from 20% bodyfat to 15, I i ran adex througout. all said and done i only gained and kept 6 pounds of lean muscle but looked better than ever while my buddys looked like bloated jersey shore goobers
RustyhookerBoom! Yup..yup
5am 1Tbl Peanut Butter, 6 eggwhites, 1 cup oatmeal
8am 5oz chicken 1cup brown rice or 8oz sweet potato/yam 1cup veggie
1130am 4oz chicken 8oz sweet potato/yam 1 cup veggie 1tbl MCT oil
TIME??? Prework out 1 scoops humapro small green apple
TIME??? Postworkout 40g whey shake 1/2 cup white rice
6pm 5oz Fish cod/roughy/talapia 1/2 cup brown rice large romaine salad
RIGHT BEFORE BED 1 SCOOP casein shake 1tbl MCT oil
You didnt specify times for post and pre, and crist man you got a long ass day!!! Personally I'd like to cut a meal out and give you more food and remove a shake for solid food...but I'm tired right now lol
Ok without your exact LBM/ height i could not do a tailored diet for you, yea you say 18% but i don't know what your 18 looks like ya feel me?? so its late now and I'm gonna do my best to alter yours....
First things first! Your not eating enough carbs!! your eating at times wayyyy too much protein, and you have no good fats?? Brother I'm 260 and you eat more protein than me, you will not cut BF this way if you keep going...I know u said u cut 3% its only becuase you have bacicaly ZERO CARBS right now other than first two meals, you will slow down and hit a wall trust me...not to mention look flat and have no energy while your on gear and training hard...... oh and you said your losing muscle? well I got news for ya its the lack of carbs making you feel that way...and making you look flat and weak bro... giving you the appearence of getting smaller...this is all making sense now huh?? lightbulb?? lol YOUR NOT LOSING MUSCLE eating all that protein...period.
As far as the gear goes personally I don't think you should be using at age 24, however you'll do what you want and thats your choice brother..For you trying to lose BF Why would u take Test?? First you have to hit that shit eod which is a pain in the ass...second although its fast acting you still can hold water and not see your bf dropping in the mirror like you'll want to. You said you wanna CUT up right? Yea yea I know arimadex for water retention...yea but why do Prop in the first place? I wouldn't, If it were me I'd run the Primo@400mg a week for 12weeks Var@50mg ED for 8weeks (4-12) with the IGF1.. I'd run the clen 2weeks on 2weeks off only going up to 100mcg for you throughout the cycle. pct is fine. although some HCG would be good for you especially at your age man...
weeks 6-12 optional 200mg Tren eneth a week and or Masteron Prop 300mg weekly with Primo and the var.
Keep in mind I'm playing it safe with these doses cuz its only your second time...
Well that's my advice, your call brother...take care and be safe...
AnonThanks for the info man i appreciate it. As far as my fat its all in my gut and chest everything else has little to know fat alot of definition in my arms legs and shoulders and the 18% is from my bathroom scale so idk how accurate that is... but i will deff up the carbs especially when i go on gear... and i think im gonna discontinue the clen and just stick with the prop for this cycle.and the reason im not doing primo is i testt is alot cheaper lol
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinkno prob, looked at your pics..you could be a bit higher that 18..bit anyway just go get it tested to know for sure..
i know primo is expensive but its good for what you want save up! with gear my man cheaper is cheaper for a reson lol i mean you could try eq if you want but it may hold a little water on u...just run the var 50 ed with the clen...clen is pretty safe dont be to worried i mean your taking juice bro cmon?!?! haha the heart valve thing....yea idunno keep doses low go up to 80 see how u feel...it relly will help with the bf...goodluck
RustyhookerWow! Broscientist at its prime! Research more...then cmon back.
FR sent, we need to talk my dude.
;) yea buddy
Post up diet and height
AnonAnd thats just the basic i switch the meat up with fish pork and turkey and sometimes lean beef
Hey mike look into adding some t3 and I'd prob bump the protein up .... More meals, more chicken veg
RustyhookerWow....SMH. Small slip on thyroid and you're permanently a thyroid patient.
You hit thyroid often?
Once a year low dose. Google it. Ilm try to post a study I read the other day
RustyhookerStop before you get banned. You're advising a hardcore drug to a brand newb with high bf?? Do you see his bloods posted? Do you know his diet? Body? Are you a medical pro? Will you be responsible to him when he's ruined? Jyst step away sir! And dont advise dangerous crap til you're well versed! Not some article posted elsewhere!
Buildbigger86I 100 percent agree with my boy Rusty, T-3 is not something i would ever advise for a newb in the game. You need to do so much research and even with that done. Your fucking with your Thyroid and you can permanently damage if forever for fuckin around with T-3. I don't see a need to take a risk like that. Also, didn't he say he was 21 years old? If so he can seriously permanently fuck himself up and it can never be reversed.
Just saying be careful with that shit.'
Have to give a plus 1 because some needed to state how bad this could be if used incorrectly.
Thank you Rusty
RustyhookerDefinitly....Thank You! Without clear bloodwork by a doctor and weekly checks...no thyroid. We all want to get ripped but not at that cost
Buildbigger86EXACTLY, but their is so many other types of gear we can run then fucking with research compounds. lol
Read my post I said look In to it as in research it. I did not at any time tell him to run out and take it.
He's 24, he really shouldn't be looking into t3 use. That's where rusty is going with this.
RustyhookerBig thank you! Some post have me sweating! Glad you're on top of it bro
Anon6ft
5am 2 whole eggs 2 eggwhites 1/2 cup oatmeal
8am 6oz chicken apple
11am 6oz chicken 2 cups broccoli
2pm 50g casein shake greek yogurt
Prework out 2 scoops humapro
Postworkout 50g whey shake and 50g casein
6pm 8oz chicken small romaine salad
9pm whey/casein shake
Anon*
RustyhookerPlease don't do that cycle. Clen etc is permanent heart valve damage. Diet is not clean with 18%bf.. Please cardio down below 15%. Then come back and we'll get you slice n diced.
Buildbigger86Yes plus clen is so thermogenic is bring your body temp to such high unhealthy helps and will have some sides that will suck.
Lift hard run, eat well, and PM or rusty and we can help with a nice cycle for you achieve the goals you are trying to reach
RustyhookerHonestly i wish there was a quick easy way. It always goes back to sweat and drive.
Buildbigger86you can load up on aas's but if you dont train and diet it is pointless. Hard work all the way
AnonMy diet is on point ive dropped 3% bf already i was 21% and i dont like the muscle im loosing during this diet so i wanna use some gear which i know will drop the bf% even more...
so would u say drop clen and eca?
RustyhookerClen and eca yes. Clen raises heart rate...test raises heart rate. I've run quite a few cycles and went agsinst common sence. Light cycle. Just 20mcg of clen had me 130bpm resting. Eca is speedy too. On a full recomp like you're going to do, the diet gurus here will definitly help ya. Prop will help with muscle sparing by itself. But try to get lower bf so you dont have bp, stroke worries. You're gonna have to sacrifice a lil mass loss but building you back up is much easier. Less worries--just grow.
Buildbigger86RUSTY, what do you think about him running long test ester Cyp or Eth with EQ and VAR? He would gain nice muscle and get nice and vascular from eq and gain that nice hard muscle and the var will help with fat loss.
What are your thoughts on that?
RustyhookerI love eq when I'm below 12%! I can eat tons of munchies like yams, meats and veggies while growing and leaning out. But i did run eq for my recomp after injury and the hunger was wild. Ate veggies non stop for body fillers to keep hunger down. Was very difficult. Test e/cyp is good muscle preserver with less pins and won't boost hunger badly.
AnonMy last cycle was test e and eq and my hunger went through the roof i wouldnt be able to cut with my hunger like that i was staring at my watch waiting every 2.5hrs to eat. Then i was207lbs@ 23%bf and bulking i ended up putting on 15lbs and droppin to 21%.
Buildbigger86I understand the hunger with eq and test very well. I love EQ AND TEST. LIKE NO JOKE i lobe that cycle. But i have run that cycle with Var and var burns fat and also brings your appetite down and the higher the dosage you run the more your appetite will go down.
AnonI think i might just stick with test and var.. and i might as well do test-e to avoid the eod injections right considering prop retains just as much water as e
RustyhookerStraighforward test e would definitly be simpke and effective. Less pins. Just still monitor bp, low salt, hydrate.
AnonYeah clen had me feelin the high bp but when i did a cycle of test it didn't raise it at all and i was at 23% bf then so im not afraid of it this cycle
should of use albut, thats what ill be using instead of clen
RustyhookerOk. Im just 42. Been sponsored. Still aluve and no trt. Guess i must be wrong.
AnonIm not trying to say ur wrong.. im gonna drop the clen. And stick with prop var and igf. When I replied with im not afraid of it this cycle i was refering to the test increasing bp concidering it had very little affect on mine when i was at 23% bf
RustyhookerWhew! Ya scared me bro. Go eady...use bp cuff daily. No salt. And post in diet forums for help. Var for 3 Weeks wont do anything. 2-8 and really...try n hold off just a few Weeks.
Adex e3d.
Buildbigger86Yes run var for 12 weeks at 50- 80mg start at 50mg and as body gets used to it raise dosage.
AnonI read that var at the end of the cycle would help harden you up i have 25 50mg pills so would u suggest getting another 25?
RustyhookerThe difficult part is "hardening" will be hidden. You might get some raise in metabolism. Simply put...you gotta strip it down first. Definitly not fun fun building is easier than cutting.
AnonI also have an epistane clone ph lying around i could use instead of the var?
AnonSo in that case should i just stick with the prop and igf and drop var
RustyhookerId suggest lower to 15%...you can get there in just a few Weeks. Post for diet assistance as those gurus will greatly help woth carb manipulation. The prop for 8 Weeks at 100eod and var at 50 2-8. Var is a hardener but it also will boost metabolism a bit. A body recomposition is rugged on the ego BUT starting off from a solid base weight will get you going in the right direction. Gear can asdist in keeping the base muscle but ultimately...stripping down to a lean base...then rebuilding will get you online. I just did a recomp after bad injury. Was yoked...got injured. Had to drop down to lean base....then rebuild. Its not fun but then after you're down to the solid base you can cardio and rebuild up much easier. Ive tried cut and bulks before...they dont eork. Eating and exercise is very different for each. Leaning down will let you re-learn kitchen disciplines. Kitchen will be a key for the rest of life. So...try to get below 15%. Post for diet asdistance. 100eod...50ed. Remember ai/pct. Cardio. It'll be hard work but you'll earn it and appreciate it. If there was a safe and real way other than blood, sweat, and tears...I'd surely post it bro!