-1 Test P cycle help.
What's up everyone, this is my first post and my first cycle.
I've done a lot of research but I'm still confused about a couple things due to the fact that everything I read seems to contradict..anyways...
before you ask I already know how to manipulate my calories (IIFYM) ect, I also log all my workouts blah blah blah and I'm very committed..anyways
I'm planning on doing 8 weeks of Test P 150mg EOD.
I really want to know if I should be running an AI or SERM during cycle, I feel I might be gyno prone, not 100% sure. As far as I can see, most people either run Aromasin or Adex... adex is more affordable for me.. I think I would FEEL more comfortable running one or the other during cycle...
As far as my PCT goes I was planning on running Nolva on a 40/40/20/20? I've even read 20/20/20/20? And is it recommended that I run Clomid along side Nolva for PCT, some people say yes and others no...
Should I be taking HCG during pct?
I appreciate any advice you guys can throw my way..also if you could be specific with dosages/weeks ect.
Thanks again everyone, merry christmas and may 2013 be a year full of gains for you all!
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Well i tried to give you as much info as I could due to my knowledge from being a new comer also ,but haven takin lots of knowledge from great vets on here and i did what they've told me and im still alive and feeling great brother. Pinning dosent hurt me as needles never have ,but you will get sore I promise that brother. Some on here would say im to young at almost 23,but i've had all my blood work done and been told by a doctor that is a family friend that it would be ok for what my goals are and what im taking and the AI/PCT i've got set up for me. So make you you got extra's of everything. Because I know no matter what ppl state in facts to you that your going to do test p. Which i'd say if your going to do anything regardless of ppl's thoughts do Test Cyp or Test E safer less pinning brother. Just be safe when doing thing I'd hate to see on the news something bad happing to a young guy like me or anyone in general brother. As you can see this site is like a brother hood. They all watch anyones back and once you get to know them your family and they help you even more. They will give you as much knowledge as you want aslong as your willing to respect there thoughts and time in the game for what they know.
i use 22 for my glutes and 29 for delts. rotate spots frequently , im never so sore that it messes up my lift, works good for me
you can use 3 week blast cycle, 3 weeks TEST-E,3 WEEKS TEST-C,3 WEEKS TEST-P.AFTER RUN USE I CLOMID 50MG PER DAY FOR 10 DAYS.THEN OFF.HOPE THIS HELPS BRO
Lol. Yeah, probably not a good idea to take advise from a dude named chester with -10 Karma.
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Bro i think you need to do a lil more research before you start your first cycle.... IMO I think you'll get sick of pinning eod for 8 weeks strait especially cuz of that PIP, some days it might cripple you bro just sayin, stick to pinning test e twice a week on first cycle bro and practice rotating sites.. youll get great gains with test E if diet is on point bro but i mean test is test but just watch out for that PIP..
And Yes Clomid is necessary for PCT bro youll need it to restart up your balls!
First cycle should look like this bro.
Test E- weeks 1-12 @ 500mg per week split dose, mon/250mg and thur/250mg.
Ai-AROMASIN- Start at week 3 all the way up to PCT! @ 12.5mg EOD,
Take ED if nips get sore.
Hcg is not really necessary on first cycle IMO.
Standard PCT- start 15 days after last shot!
Clomid- 100/100/50/50
Nolva- 40/40/20/20 (if going with aromasin through pct u can go with (20/20/10/10)
You can also consider taking Aromasin all the way through pct.
AnonX2... pinning EOD with inexperienced muscles is gonna be crippling
If its your first brother don't use test p use longer ester as in cyp or test e less pinning let your muscles get used to it and gain proper tech for how to pin. Also nolva and clomid is a must I'd say for pct and no need for HCG on a starter cycle like that. Also AI is a must on cycle .25 for adex 6.25 for armo brother. Either one works some say Armoasin works better but I can't tell you it dose as I'm on adex and feel fine no gyno. So brother I'd re think the test p. I'd wait till 2nd cycle so you can rotate at least 4 spots comfy and know your pinning it right brother. Hope that helps alittle
I appreciate the advice but my mind is made up and I'm going to do test P. A close friend who's currently on cycle will be helping me with my first couple injections so I can make sure I'm doing everything properly.
I'll probably stick with Adex then, .25 ED or EOD?
As for PCT, I'm guessing Clomid 50/50/50/50 and Nolva 40/40/20/20?
mr127superdeei respect that you know what you want period and you just wanna make sure you do it right awesome. so idk if you know what the effects of low estro is but its just as bad as high estro and takes longer to fix in a cycle as short as 8 weeks you dont want any problems start with .25mg e3d trust me if estro is too high it will only take a day to drop it down by increasing dose but if its too low you will be suffering with dry joints bad body odor and acne for minimum a week trust me brother good luck!
I do .25 EOD but if you get signs go to ED if that dosent work .5 should do you justice brother. Well just be safe man this site will def help you as I'm still learning but I want to help with what I do know. So make sure you have 4 spots u can pin at least and use prop needle size brother. Be safe is the main thing I can stress listein to these vets m8.
Hey bro...great to be helpful. Personal opinion, maybe just wait a little longer next time to get some more stats...who knows if you're dealing with some dumb ass teenager?
Laughing @ teenager.
Just a matter of protocol...you hadn't given out your age yet. I use to smoke, but would never knowingly give a kid in high school cigarettes. Sure they'd get it somewhere, but it wouldn't be something I'd be a party to.
Forsure man, thanks for the advice, as for needle size I was planning on going with 25gauge.
Where r u planning on pinning at brother?
Quads for sure and most likely delts and glutes.
So 1 half inch for glute and 29 gauge for delt around half inch to 1 inch quads 23-25 gauge 1 inch should be good sizes for those spots. Also make sure to have extra needles if you drop your pin and have all cleaning materials to keep vials clean extras of all brother.
Yeah I'm going to have plenty of extras on hand. Would 25gauge be okay for delts or should I get 29 for those?
Stats?
6'0 190lbs 10%>
How old are u brother?
Well looks like my boy got you coverd, just hope you ain't to young.
Forsure. Wondering what you consider too young? And why?
The man you are "conversing" with has extensive experience and it would have been better to have been more cooperative earlier so he could tailor advice appropriately. As I understand, part of the reason the use of AAS discouraged until after mid 20s is the idea that your growth plates aren't actually sealed until around this time...so you could actually stunt your growth using AAS too soon. Also, the possibility of being on TRT/HRT earlier in life than necessary is increased. Why have to go through this in your early 30s? Also, I'd imagine if you were in your teens there's no way he would've helped you screw up your endocrine system before it's fully developed with any good conscience.
mr127superdeeI am completely against teens using steroids and prohormones on every level but there are some 16 17 year olds who have had terrible life experiences and it can believe it or not save the rest of their life. now having started aas and prohormones around 16 y/o i know that it was my lack of knowledge no help from the older guys in the gym and no pct that really fucked me more than anything and put me on trt at the age of 19 thats not me pointing any fingers its just a fact of my life if someone is going to do steroids "no matter what" the damage is not going to be done by helping but rather by not helping brother
I've heard this line of reasoning before and I think I understand it. I see the view that it might be the best way to handle a bad situation. I suppose if someone has ALREADY started it would be best to at least provide PCT advice to minimize damage. Personally, my issue is that these very young men are likely still at the age where they're dependent on their parents. If I'm a parent would I want some stranger to assist my dependent son, who lives under my roof, in obtaining and using illegal substances without my knowledge or assent? Because of this, it would be difficult for me to assist one of the young people in getting started. I MIGHT be willing to give advice to an older, INDEPENDENT young man depending on the situation...maybe they'll push forward anyway, but they also demonstrate a level of maturity, they listen and are respectful. In this situation with say a 16/17 yr old, the bypassing of parental control is personally bothersome. Bro, I wouldn't condemn you for your intentions and doing what you think is right here. I would just choose to deal with the situation in a way I'm more comfortable with. Anyway...if you wish to discuss further, we could continue on a PM.
Lets be realistic here, I obviously know he has more experience than me, I'm not a moron. FYI there are no REAL scientific studies out there that show anything happens to your endocrine system by using AAS. Nobody even knows exactly when it actually stops developing and if you did some research you would find out that the general consensus is it happens once you reach sexual maturity. Saying growth plates seal around mid 20's is a huge generalization and the reality is that has to be determined on a case by case basis. Merry Christmas Mr.Snuka2012
The fact that you repeatedly dodge the age question suggests that you are aware you won't get affirmation from others. Your username also suggests your either young or immature. Do you really need to use that word? Some might find it offensive.
No one said you were. But you're being presumptuous and missing the point...if you want better advice simply provide more information and be open. I merely pointed out the rationale why some people feel it's "safer" to use beyond your mid 20s. It is case by case...for instance someone can reach physical maturity in their late teens whereas you may have others such as a basket player or high jumper who can continue to grow into their 20s. The bottom line it's basically preferred. I suppose if you're going for Mr Olympia or going to the NFL or going to become UFC contender...have at it, more power to you and go make your millions. Otherwise, in general, given proper diet and training, men in their early 20s have more than enough natural testosterone to grow tremendously. If someone chooses to use in their early 20s...the reality is no one's going to stop them if they're determined. They're considered adults. Hopefully, the decision is informed, enough research has been done to understand why you would use certain compounds, the consequences and side effects are also understood, and the person has enough mental and emotional maturity to deal with the use of these compounds. From your tone you seem pretty determined, so I'd recommend regardless of age is to continue to do more research so you can consider the pros and cons and best approaches to constructing a cycle and listen to the advice of some of these vets and get a piece of their knowledge and wisdom. Good luck in this journey.
Mid to early 20's.