-1 Test Flu from 600mg Sustanon Shot, Next Day
This is my first cycle and it was hard for me to find good sust from a good lab, while using a trusted source. (everyone is always out of sust!)[I say this from a researching stance, not experience]
I am 29 yrs old
6'1" 190lb
Been lifting of and on for 9 years, took 2 years off when daughter was born
I wanted to run basic sust 250 for 500mg a week for 10 weeks. I couldn't find anything in stock from labs with good reviews So I settled for sustanon 300/ml, and blast 600mg a week. (not sure if I'm allowed to post the names of labs and sources on these forums, just let me know)
I know a lot of guys will tell you to split the shots twice a week, but i also saw that a lot of the old school guys would say to just hit once a week. So I went with once a week..
Tuesday I did 600mg of sust in a 2cc shot. Everything was fine no pain or anything like that. Next day I started to feel pretty sick with flu symptoms. By Thursday I was so sick i couldn't get out of bed. I mean i have never been so sick in my life. It was obviously test flu, but the severity of it made me a bit uneasy. It was only bad for 2 days (yesterday and today, but getting better now). Injection site is good, pip is already going away so probably no infection in deep tissue.
What I really need to know is why I got so sick. I know why test flu happens but this seemed a little excessive..
Was it because I shot too much at once and if so will i adjust? Or will i have to either deal with severe flu every shot or split up my shots to 300mg twice a week?
I don't mind splitting the shots but i would prefer to do 600mg at once if i will eventually become immune.
Any advice will help a lot thank you!
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I’m shocked this went south!
Probably would of done a little more research before you purchased and injected this drug into your body. I guess lesson learned.
Drop this stuff, research what’s reasonable and safe for a first cycle and start again.
basskiller89Probably just don't pin 600mg at once brother lol ..
I have found that test flu comes from frequency, if I pin ED I always feel a mild cold, on once a week pins I feel fine 4 days of the week
I still don't understand sust lol it is the absolute most bizarre arrangement of esters
600mg sus pin... Wow.
One shot a week on Sus...
Man, you gotta do the research before just buying a few bottles and jabbing it on in....
Serious business, scrap the run and read, research, learn, think, and then IF you still want to...
Post a purposed 1st cycle and trust me, people here will make sure you’re ready to rock n roll with a proper n safe cycle.
Best of luck
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Welcome to my world, any gear over 300mg/ml I get a chronic flu which only clears up a week or so after I drop the high concentrate gear.. 6 weeks later that is.
ah fuck
RustyhookerSust after being off....not advisable. I like sust but check goose24 posted links. Enth or cyp woulda been easier.
Hope youre getting bloods week 5 or 6.
Whats your ai and pct?
Right but i have been back at it hard for 8 months and bounced back pretty well. Test e would definitely been better.. but its all i had and $300 down for me is a hard hit.
And I also understand how the bonds on the chains work I just didn't understand you were supposed to baby the short esters so much.
I have nolva on hand but have held off (horror stories on the sides) until i need it and clomid is its the way
Im sorry its not nolva, its Arimidex i have. Too heavy? You think i should run it now?
RustyhookerDropdowns up top....community....groups...first cycle explained.
Bring back what you learned.
You damn young kids will do anything anyone tells ya huh? My question is why not do actual research if you're going to put hormones in your body? Instead asking your local meathead?
Btw with your stats you honestly should be trying to play with your food/carb/cal intake and see where you can get there first..
I'm feeling generous today you're welcome:
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/list-of-stero...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/importance-of....
Real talk +2.
Rustyhooker+2
thanks man
And here is supposedly the real half life of steroids...: http://steroidcalc.com/about.html
The long half lifes, 12 days, etc were supposedly put out by Bill Roberts who made an error in calculating them, I think. Correct me if I'm wrong. The old data was pulled from studies using molecular half lifes of compounds. New data was pulled from a study that recorded the actual half lifes of compounds. And it uses biological ie. terminal half life. Which is The half life that interests us.
Another link with more explanation: http://www.gymnation.co.nz/forums/topic/20376-true-half-life-tables/
190 lbs and you decided to run high dosed gear for a blast.. it woulnt do shit for you until you start eating. Not shakes or junk food. Whole foods.
I know that seems low but i do eat a lot of good food OG
I just was hearing that under 500mg a week of test was pointless..
Im at about 4500 cal a day. Math could be a little off..
Most are carbs because im a hard gainer, although I know a lot more should be proteins its just so expensive these days!
Anywhere from 300-350g of protein daily, just depends on the $$ although iv noticed on my rough weeks it will be more like 290g or so..
Sustinon has to be split into more than two shots a week. Every other day or every day to get the most out of the short esters. You should do more research on sustinon and how it works before pinning.
RustyhookerAgree. I pin sust ed on a heavy cycle
I hate to step on your toes here especially with a kid who has no clue. The frequency of when sust should be used is as old as March pharma blue hearts being real or fake. https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/over-40-trt/sustanon-your-doing-it-......
You couldnt have done much research on the type of test. It has more short esters than long. Most recommend eod if not every day injections for stable levels.
I just assumed 90mg of short esters to 160mg of longer esters was what everyone was talking about unless isoc esters are considered shorter..? Probably not short enough for eod right? I don't know, sust wasn't my first choice but good thing I only did 1 shot like that lol i see now that was a mistake but i feel better now, ill be eod from now on
Technically what your pinning is not Sustanon Sustanon only has 250 mg in it. It is actually a brand name what you are pinning it's just a blend of different tests in the problem with pinning short Esters every 3 days or 4 days or just once a week is that the prop and and the phenyl prop and Iso will boost your real quick and then fall off and you won't have any stability estro is going to be up and down because your test will be going up and down. Blends are not recomended for first cicles because you need to have a stable level so you can dial in your ai.
so will i do 4 shots one week and 3 shots the next and so on in that pattern and just adjust the amount accordingly, like on my 3 shot week, take my 4th shot and divide it between the 3?
Gotcha that makes a lot of sense bro, i didnt realize the isoc were going to be hitting me that fast. So since im splitting my doses up i am also going to drop down to 500mg/w what do you think? Could you help me figure this out? I have 9 weeks left in my cycle so i figured for 32 more shots for eod. But i need to keep it to 500mg/w and 7 is an odd number and im not that great with math lol..
Thats what calculators are for. They make every one a math expert. If it were me i would stick to the simple and get some test e or c and run a proper first cycle.
Alright thank you bro
So you want to keep pip down and then you inject 600mg at once?
How much research did you do on sust prior to taking it?
I would personally only do eod injections with sust because of the short esters
At 6’1 and 190 I honestly don’t think you need gear anyways
Well no at first pip was not my concern, it was only a concern when i actually felt the kick from sust (im hard headed that way) and it would have only been a problem if it kicked me that hard eod lol. Other than that i wasn't that bad.
I did a good amount of research on it, I just allowed myself to be talked into once a week pins.. But i knew if i had a problem with my first shot i could just turn to you guys
Alright than eod it is.
Well Im 190 lean, thats what i like to tell ppl. I weighed at the gym today and was 202 not so lean. I am a hard gainer so it has been a lot of work just to get there. when i started lifting years ago i was 150 man..and just getting older :S
What do you think i should have been before starting?
I understand being a hard gainer. That means you have a high Metabolism and need to eat more calories.
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Bro. Do some more research, it’s literally on this forum, and all over the World Wide Web..
Split pins eod like most have said. Use a 23-25g needle and try pinning glute... switching butt cheeks between each pin.
No need to worry about ‘scar tissue’ as long as you don’t act like your shifting gears on a manual transmission while needle is in your muscle... lol..
Best of luck,
Keep reading your answers are literally everywhere.
Hell yeah thank you brother, I have read a lot about it but i was also seeing a lot of guys saying just hit once a week and forget about the 36mg of prop lol. But I guess my body couldn't handle that much acid in one pin you know what i mean. I have decided to split eod, and i have 23g 1", smooth like butter couldn't be happier about the pin
Im shocked that 600 mg sust didnt give you pain
Ive been shooting 350 sust and i feel the kick
It gave me a lot of pain lol, i just didn't mind the pip as much as the horrible flu symptoms
Mate, throw out the vial that gave you the test flu and the other if it is from the same batch. Trust me on this - you may get use to the oil and you may not. But from personal experience whenever I have had it you tend to find the next few injections will go well and then you will get it again, or you will just stay groggy and run down whilst you finish the vials. Start again and source another lab, although sometimes this makes no difference as the times I have had it have been from the same top UGL lab in the U.K so its luck of the draw sometimes...
Alright I will definitely keep that mind! I cant afford to throw this batch out just yet (very tight budget, new baby on the way) but if this doesn't get better within 4 weeks or so i will toss it and try another source. Thank you
Hope that was a glute injection. High mg/ml will cause some pip and for a first cycle first inj..definitely should've pinned just a ml....hell maybe even half just to test the waters brother. But if its traditional sust blend every third day could work with minimal hormone fluxuations if regular pinning is an issue....like Mudbone said below Rustyhooker has a good post about site rotations....and mister heavymetal has some good points below as well
Thigh injection.. Thats why it was killing me going down the stairs. It sounds like i should just split up my pins, i don't mind sticking my self in fact i enjoy it. I just don't want that nasty pip every day lol. Do you think that will go down when my injection size goes down? If so i definitely can do eod
Definitely will help PIP....especially with quad injections brother. May even dilute with sterile oil if it still becomes an issue. And as far as test flu goes its pretty common but severity differs.....my first cycle was with pharma testoviron amps....and i got a mild test flu after first pin
Sust is supposed to be EOD because on the short acting esters..i know guys who will do m.w.f. but besides that I don't know anyone who would only pin it once a day... I'd say that's way to much in one pun and your body felt it... do atleast 3 pins a week if not EOD and i bet nor only will u feel better but u will get more out I'd your cycle than the roller coaster ride once a week pounds would cause.. good luck
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Also edit your stats bro.. if your not even30 yet and are only190 you should dial in diet and exercise for a year or so manbefore you even cycle.. how long u been back at it??? previous cycles??? What's you're bf%....I'd say u should pack on10 more pounds naturally and wait till your30s to run gear.. especially if you got high body fat
Right I read that too but i didn't know if 200mg of prop and phenyl would out weigh the longer esters. You are probably right, that if i got that sick i should split it up. Do you think I could get away with twice a week? I don't mind the pins but the scar tissue build up is a little scary and the pip is fucking annoying. And do you think the pip will go down with smaller shots or is that just sust..?
Pip would go down most likely but I still don't think twice a week is enough... if that was the case u should sick with just test e or c...2cc is a good size pin... and don't worry about scar tissue if using a 25..a23 maybe but still use a bunch of pin spots. .. glutes delts chest quad lats. . plenty to choose from..u still didn't answer my question though bro.. what's you body fat and previous cycles
Alright I hear ya. Im using a 23g fresh needle every time. I'm not sure on exact percentage of body fat, i dont compete or anything like that, but i am very lean almost 0 fat on my legs, if i had to take a guess it would be 9%-10% BF. And This is my first oil cycle. I have done a small 6 week dbol cycle in the past but nothing serious.
You shouldn't have started with Sust in my opinion..e or c would of been the way to go.. twice a week with steady blood levels.. you have an AI and all your pct stuff already I hope.. first cycle and 4 esters probably wasnt the best idea.. short esters especially are known for causing pip... also sorry about the typos. . my phone is massacring words today for some reason.. my b
Oh its all good man lol. And your right about starting with e, that was actually my plan, 500mg/w test e, but we used my cousins bitcoin account to order and he only ordered the sust, the bastard! Next cycle will definitely be e. And ya i have chlomid for pct and i will probably get some nolva within the next couple days just to have on hand. Im going to go with eod starting Monday
I've never ran sust doesn't really appeal to me, but if I did I would probably add a little prop and inject both every day you could probably get by with eod but blood stability does wonders, it's not something that is blown out of proportion to me its necessary
Were you planning to just do weekly injections?
Yes, I wanted to keep the pip to a minimum if i could so it would not effect my workouts too much or me carrying my daughter up and down stairs when I'm running late lol. I don't mind the pain too much but from what i read sust is killer for pain at injection site, and from what i experienced the other day they are right! I almost buckled going down my stairs yesterday. I know i will adjust to the soreness eventually but i would prefer to just keep it once a week rather than eod this way i can gauge my leg days for when im not too sore
I would check out my comment up top bro. If your injecting just once a week you will be on a wild trip of hormone fluctuation. Plus it's just basically waiting the fast esters. You may want to check out some neibido but if your doing larger shots 2+cc that can cause some pip as well. Rusty has a good little piece on a 10 site rotation for injections plus heating the oil does help out bro