+ 1 TEST EQ first EQ run
stats, 29, 5'7' 175 12-13bf
cycle hist. 12 week test c with proper pct Ai was Arimidex
2nd cycle prop kicker 100mg ED 3 weeks then 14 weeks of test E again pct and arimidex
Next cycle idea
1-4 150 ed prop
1-18 test C 600 mg
1-18 EQ 600mg wk
3-24 Aromasin 6.25ed
from shrinkage-19 HCG 250x2 wk
20-24 pct clomid 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20
Ai i would like to use Aromsin 6.25ed
Also with length of cycle HCG but again not eacxtly sure when to start or dosage.
Goal is to add some serious mass, Eat clean and lift heavy. If I can hit 200lbs I'd be fucking stoked. what do you guys think of bold acetate at 100mg EOD but again not sure how long to run that, till the longer ester EQ really starts pumping or just the first few weeks in the beginning to help with appetite? thanks for everyones input respected. please no suggestions of PRIMO or TREN....sorry had to say it....mad love homies...and to you ed its all homo brother.
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Anoni'm surprised to see no one has said anything about your aromasin dosing.. you need to run that from at least week 2, brother. don't let your e2 build up on you during your cycle and then try to reduce it at the end. keep it under control throughout.
personally, and no disrespect to vike, i would rather see you running a prop taper than a kicker. this will provide some stability to the declining levels at the end and lead you right into pct without having to crash. prop taper should be 100mg EOD week 19-21. pct starts 3 days after last prop pin.
i would also front load the EQ at 1200mg week 1 & 2. plasma levels need to be around 1200-1400 to become active at the receptors. front loading this way would bring the levels up to that during week 2 and slightly higher week 3 then sustained at this level for the duration. it would look something like this:
week 1: 300/300/300/300 (EOD)
week 2: 400/400/400 (EOD) - if vial strength doesn't allow, repeat week 1
week 3-18: 300/300 (mon/thur)
pct looks good, but running your aromasin thru pct would be of great benefit to you. aromasin acts to free up test from SHBG, thereby allowing for clomid to do a better job. it also exhibits possitive feedback towards gonadatropin synthesis, thereby working synergistically with clomid.
all in all, the cycle would look something like this:
wk 1-2: EQ 1200mg
wk 3-18: EQ 600mg
wk 1-18: test cyp 600mg
wk 19-21: test prop 100mg / EOD
wk 3-21: aromasin 6.25 ED (tweak as needed)
pct starts 3 days after last prop pin:
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20
aromasin 6.25/6.25/6.25/6.25 (last two weeks, switch to EOD)
just my two cents
Thanx for the imput dossier, and good catch on the Aromasin. I ment to write that I would begin Aromasin week 3 and I had planned on 12.5mg daily but completely goofed and forgot it. I am trying to follow fundamentals of less is more so I will drop the AI to 6.25mg ed and see how my body reacts. This will be my first run with aromasin. I would not run 18 weeks without an AI. I know I have heard of guys not using an AI on cycle but that would not work for this dude. Definitely going to take the frontloading option into consideration. Thanks again D_
Ok, so I did lower the test to 600mg, and also with GS's advice i'll keep an eye on me huevos and when shrinkage hits i'll go with HCG 250mg's twice a week, now next question is do I just continue that regiment or can I then wait a few weeks and then hit it again. I guess i'm asking how long will that bring them back for, also if I was going to do a HCG blast pre pct is that 500x2wk? And when? the two weeks i'm waiting to start pct? Or say maybe just the last week of pinning the juice?
When I used it I did 250 twice a week from the 4th week until a week before pct. This I found almost kept them the right size. 250 twice a week is a maintenance dose so you don't ramp it up before pct. Everybody is different so get some other opinions too.
I ran this. Did the prop taper against Vikings advice. Wrong move. Drop the taper and think about lowering your test down to 600ew for a leaner gain. Pacients all the way. I didn't 'feel' the eq till around week 9-10. If you have to do more I would raise the eq instead of the test imo. Watch for bloat and adjust the ai to suit.
Good luck.
+3 for a good post and not being afraid to ask questions... let me know how this run goes and nail that 200lb or ima comin to kick your azz lmfao!
Live in the kitchen bro... pre/prep then pre/prep some more.. after a while it becomes like second nature.
Do not forget to re/calculate your grammages as your body weight increases.. if you dont gains will stop in there tracks and you,ll be wondering what the FKs up with your gear ok.
I am really going to get the kitchen dialed this run. Thats the number one goal first of all. As for PCT i'm going to continue to run aromasin ED for two weeks after last pin, then start pct clomid 100/100/50/50 Nolva 40/40/20/20.
I personally would not do a prop taper.. you run the chance of clouding the vascularity gained with the EQ by subQ water from too much test.
Ive said this a million times but i am saying once more!.. be patient!!.. EQ is the thinking mans steroid, if you slip with your diet or dont control your water its a waste, you may not see ANY outstanding results until week 8/10 but if you got everything else right thats the time it all comes together and veins start to pop and muscle hardness becomes the deal.. many fail with EQ due to poor protocols and zero patience... personally i cant live without it i FKing love the stuff either for lean bulk,hard maintenance,or pre/comp cutting,its so versatile its untrue if used correctly.
I say leave out the bold ace. Ur running a 3rd cycle so just kind of feel ur way thru with the EQ get to know it. Start at 600 and roll that way as long as u r seeing gains even if it's not a lot cuz EQ ain't a classic bulking compound, if u feel froggy bump it up to 800 for the last 6-8 wks for a little more mass out of the EQ.
The HCG I'd wait until u see some shrinkage and log that too. Hit it at first sign.I just started mine today and I'm wk 5 of a Test EQ Tren cycle so u may not get it as fast. Standard 250iu 2x a wk. Love Aromasin and take my dose daily as well.
Overall it looks good. Long cycle for a 3rd cycle but clean n easy. What's ur PCT look like?