Test-E/Deca - First Cycle Feedback
Stats: Age 25 5"9/177lbs BF 10%ish Have been training for the last 5yrs or so, on and off. Last 18mnth have been where I have seen the best improvements in gains, dieting and lifts as I've done more research and been super consistent. This will be my first cycle and I was looking to gain 15-20lbs and improve the numbers on my lifts.
Have spent a lot of time over the last few months researching to make sure I am as prepared as I can be going into this cycle and that I have the programming of it right. Am not worried about staying super lean during this as the goal is to put on as much LBM as possible. Have switched from a Split to PHAT Lifting Program and have enjoyed the change up recently and look to continue this when cycling.
Week 1-12 Test-E 500mg/wk
Week 1-10 Deca 250mg/wk
Week 1-12 Arimidex .25mg EOD
Week 1-12 Caber .5mg 2x/wk
Week 3-12 HCG 250iu 2x/wk
PCT
Week 15 Clomid 50mg 2x/day
Week 16-18 Clomid 25mg/day
The standard first cycle seems to be 500mg of Test-E, so I have gone with this. Have also chosen to include Deca at a mild dose both for the increased bulk as well as to combat joint injuries. Also considering making it simple and running only the Test-E but wanted your opinions.
Had a few questions I wanted to ask;
Caber - It's there to protect against Progesterone from the Deca.
Should I run this by default, or only use if it begins to cause sides.
At 250mg a week I've read that it shouldn't be as much of a concern.
Frontload or 600mg - I also have enough Test to run this at 600mg with a frontload.
Thoughts on doing so?
AI - I have heard it mentioned on other sources not to run the AI unless you experience sides, but personally I would like to run it just incase. Thoughts?
Appreciate your suggestions and feedback.
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tread-mYou said yourself, "last 18 months I have seen the best improvements in gains". So whats the problem? Alright so the best improvements in your life now that you are learning to perfect a skill are not enough for you.....fine, give this the respect it deserves by perfecting it properly now and learn the compounds one at a time. Remember all the F ups you made learning to master your gains up and until this last 18 months? You can now start over in the mistake portion of your training by running 2 to start not having a clue what either is doing therefore not having a clue how to manipulate and carve your body or learn these one at a time and become a master at it. You know what you need to do brother. For me you're having the best gains of your life and I ride that train till it dies but if you do run and I suspect you will just kick the test and add to your skill here and your gains. Good luck, run it right and enjoy every day. Diet is where the biggest and the best put all their energy btw, this will be the best 12 weeks of your training and gaining life so dial it in and keep us in the loop here.
No reason to front load with the same ester.Drop the deca.Test e and deca go great together but you don't need it for your first cycle.Good job on the amounts anyway.At least you didn't post ungodly amounts.You seem to have done some research.If you have the deca on hand just save it for your next cycle along with the caber.I wouldn't get prop and front load for your first cycle either.Let yourself get used to pinning with the test e first should have little to no pip.Your still young you have all the time in the world.Arimidex or aromasin are always good to have on hand.Usually about week three or four when the test really kicks in your body will try to compensate for the high test levels by converting it to estrogen.This is just a natural biological responce to keep your hormones in balance.I only use a half a arimidex a day for four or five days then stop.Usually that good for me but everybodies different.A lot of people have to run ai thruoghout there cycle.
sgtstedankoAgree w/all the gentlemen that proceeded. Imo, test @ 500 for 12 weeks is more than enough at 1st (my 1st was 350). & imho, you're a little too young mentally for AAS. I say this because you chose test/deca for a 1st w/a shit Pct (imo). Wait a little, bubba. You don't have the right mindset, get used to slow steady progress natty, & you'll never be let down on your future cycle/s. Kmi
Bro you should drop the deca. This being your first cycle you will get great gains of test alone, save the deca for your next cycle. No need to rush it, one new compound per cycle is your best bet. Its all about getting to know your body and how it reacts to different forms of aas.
Thanks for the quick reply brah.
Yeah have been tossing up the idea of flicking the Deca, just wanted some other opinions.
Wish I had ordered some Dbol instead or nothing at all. Will save for later.
What are your thoughts on Frontloading the Test, and also running 600mg?
Test is test bro, nothing wrong with a fronload. Only downside is that you will most likely get some nasty pip from the prop, virgen muscle.