posted Fri, 02/14/2014 - 07:59
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Test E or C?
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Id like some input from veterans of the sport who have experience with both compounds. I have normally run cypionate and im about to run cypionate again and alonr, for my third cycle, i havent been on ant AAS for a few years but i have been maintaining a solid foundation of muscle and id just like to know why you prefer one type of the long ester test of the other, besides money and convenience. Ive heard people say they are exactly the same, others say there are minor differences like cyp aromatizes more than enanthate for some. Any thoughts? Btw ill be running 500mg/wk and no other aas.
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Stats:
Age: 28 yrs old
Weight as of 2/18/14: 185 lbs
Height: 5'11"
Body Fat: 10%
Cycle dose: 500mg Test Cypionate/wk
for 12 weeks
Pct: Clomid & Nolvadex & HCG & Aromasin
Will post pics as soon as i start.
AnonHey bro you bring up a good question. Now one thing to keep in mind is that the Cypionate ester has a 12 day life where as the Enanthate as we all know has a 10. Not a lot know this but the reason for the extra 2 days is because Cypionate has an extra carbon atom attached making it take ever so slightly longer to absorb. Some people often notice that they hold more water using Cyp this is because of that extra carbon. Also this means that you can get away with one injection per week of Test Cyp where as Test E needs every 4 days
Explain this comment to me please!......... Lvl3 member i expect the answer to be articulate and factual please...... 1000s read these posts and i want nothing but solid,valid information.
OP.... Read this to get your head around esters ... http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/ester.htm
I understand youre talking to jk703 but id just like to comment on that....Some people say that because the test c and test e last around 7 days, that there is no benefit to injecting them twice a week, while others say that it is better to inject twice a week, my body aromatizes test fairly heavily, so if there some benefit to splitting the dose and injecting that halved amount every four days instead of injecting the whole dose only once a week, i would like to take advantage of the split dose method. I will read this article you shared the link for. I too want only factual based evidence and thank you for this resource you shared.
OK....
sigh.
My mistake. I am new to the idea of front loading and kickers.
What would you recommend flash? Btw i appreciate your input and your comment about my service.
Ok so this brings up another question. In the past i have not front loaded at all, ive just the same dose until pct. If im going to run 500mg of test C would you recommend i front load?
And another thing is i have read numerous places that when pinning a long ester test such as Cyp of you split the dose in half and do it every 4 days you are less likely to have estrogen conversion, i assume bc the body sees less extra testosterone all at once than it would at 500mg in one dose, is there any validity to this? Because on that 4th day when i pin the second dose at 250mg, wont my body just see there now 500 mg of bioavailable test and eventually begin converting it?
Input is much appreciated.
My suggestion would be to take the advice from everyone here then edit your post to include STATS your full cycle layout beginning to end, with A/I's and Pct. I realize that you are asking questions and that's good, but refine your cycle so it'll be easier for all of us to understand, especially new people jumping in.
I wouldn't recommend front loading with Test C. Front loading is usually done with a short ester like Test P, but I don't feel you need to do so with this cycle. Yes splitting doses will keep blood levels peaked and help in dealing with side effects. You could do one pin but one every four days is better IMO. What works for one may not work for the other. I've always split doses, but there are some that don't. How have you administered it in the past?
Thank you that is what i was wondering. I have administered test c in the past. I had a Squad Leader in the marines who guided me through everything when we got out stuff in Thailand on deployment. My stats and full cycle plans are at the bottom but i will post them again.
Im about 185 pounds, 5'11",28 years old, this will be a test only cycle at 500mg per week, but now i think itll actually be 250mg every 4 days,cycle will be 12 weeks, i am going to be prepared for anything this cycle regarding pct and aromatization so i have on hand clomid, nolva, aromasin and hcg. Will take aromasin if sides show up during cycle, and then begin nolva and clomid
When i stop the test c.
Just remember PCT is started two weeks after last pin.
Ok. I dont remember when i started my clomid last cycle but i believe i took one 50mg tab once a day for 30 days, and i still got a pretty significant amount of fat deposits under my nipple, so this time i am taking pct much much more seriously.
Thank you very much for your help.
Ive been reading a ton and working out since 14, and i only come and ask questions here about things i cant find good answers on. I hate it when someone expects you to explain every aspect of a cycle to them without researching on their own first so im trying to not do that.
Please for your sake and mine post your stats up top. I know it's listed in the comments but I don't want banned for commenting and I know you don't either.
test e and d are front loaded test p isnt it can be used as a kicker or taper, not telling op to do, just letting you know
Thanks for that, I was thinking kicker not, front loading, regardless I wouldn't recommend either in this case.
I was actually meaning kicker as well, but i will take your advice and not do that.
good info mate plus1 but i have too disagree on the pinning test e every 4 days unfortunately , once a week is suffice, also i hold more water with test e too but everyone reacts different i guess cheers
hey bro, first off thanks for your service as a war vetran out of Iraq, much respect.
I prefer test e to be honest, 500 a week is a good dose, you can split it in to 2 pins on minday and Thursday if you like, or if you don't want the pip, just do once a week, your choice, make sure you have your ai onhand, probably aromasin for you if you having dramas with estro, keep an eye on it, add and use as needed, your pct will be nolva and clomid, write back if you have any questions mate.
thi info not good enough ??? cycle sections turning into agirls debate class.
Your info was much appreciated. One of my comments up top was intended to be a response to yours i just didnt click reply. Your input definetely helped and im not trying to ruffle anyones feathers, just trying to get some peoples opinions on some things. Thank you.
Ok my goal is to bench press 315 for 10 reps by the end of 3 months. I want to have 17 inch arms and squat 315 for 10 reps as well. Really my goal is to gain size more than strength. The reason i say i dont have hard set goals is bc i havent taken juice since 08 when i was on a deployment in the Marine Corps so i dont know exactly how my body is going to respond this time around so i dont want to let myself down. Im a perfectionist. My body aromatizes test heavily and im going to be taking clomid, nolva and hcg. I plan on following a plan similar to this:
http://anabolicsteroidforums.com/showthread.php/938-Pct-post-cycle-thera...
Sorry i prob sound like a newb but what i meant was my goals are going to change after this first cycle and after about one month im going to get labs and reasses based on my test levels and progress. And then my goals will be a little more solid. I greatly appreciate the help you guys are giving me. This site is an invaluable resource. As for other aas, as of right now this 12 weeks will be a test only cycle. My next cycle after 45 day pct i plan on introducing masteron and maybe winny. I am still researching proper doses for those. I have always had a strict diet, i dont like processed foods, i eat clean and plan on eating about a gram of protein per body weight, up to 1.5/lb. Lots of veggies, fruit and clean carbs such as oats and whole grains, nuts and im still planning the diet out. I have another week till i start this round...
Ok, and thank god it's only one compound. Now you said you are planning your diet out which leads me to believe you haven't started it, so why not start the diet and hit the weights hard and try to put on as much as you can without the gear. Gear can wait. Get your body primed first don't rely on the gear to do it. I'm not saying don't run the gear, but I'm not saying do it either. I imagine since you have gyno issues you have plenty of A/I's on hand?
Yeah ive been really eating a lot and much cleaner, eating around the clock and on a schedule so my body gets used to eating regularly, test helped me immensely i honestly didnt feel like i needed another compound for building mass atleast. i also started working out two weeks ago at planet fitness. Lifting lighter weights right now, and just priming my body. Stretching a lot and now ive begun taking glucosamine and condroiton for joints even though im not prone to injury.
Ok i figured as much. Ill be doing a 3 month cycle this time and no specific weight goals besides breaking 200 pounds and putting on a lot of size. I really appreciate your input!
No offense man, you need a goal otherwise what it the point? Why do a cycle at all? You can achieve that goal with diet alone. Can't go about it casually
I agree..Eatting a lot and right will put the weight on. back in college I was constantly eating like a bastard to stay at 270 during spring and summer it was easy to build, but during fall football season it was hard as a motherFer to keep my weight ( I would start at 275 and drop to 260 (first year) not intentionally) and strength too up...then I learned I needed to eat steak and chicken like a bastard, whey protein wasn't enough! and pasta(im Italian) lots of pasta...Eat big brother you will grow
HydrolabsE vs C is like splitting hairs brother. in my opinion i like the cyp ester better. i just feel better over all. from a chemical standpoint it takes your body about the same amount of time to clean off both esters. So either or you are good with.
I know you're asking about c vs e, but a full cycle and goals would be helpful.
As to your question: the are basically the same and MOST people react the same to them.
Post full cycle please test c or e plus ai/pct.ect.....stats?...diet/training?... goal for going back on cycle ?
They both work the same for me.