posted Mon, 02/03/2014 - 21:26
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Test E and EQ 3rd cycle
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5'11"
186 lbs
10% bf
My first cycle was just Test C for 10 weeks, and my second was Test E with winny for 12 weeks so this time I was thinking of running a 16 week cycle to try and get about 10 - 15 lbs of lean weight.
300 Test E (1x a week)
500 EQ (1x a week)
Nolva 50/50/25/25 (ED)
Clomid 150/150/100/100 (ED)
I was planing on pinning both Test and EQ at the same time every week and starting the Nolva/Clo combo 2 weeks after the last pin. I'm also debating adding var in the second half of the cycle so I could always add that in. Everything checkout?
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RustyhookerThere's more to it than just posting numbers. Weeks planned? Goals? Calories? You should be able to hit 200 naturally.
McSteelson-432 THUMBS DOWN!
troll !
McSteelsonIt's ok, I didn't pay enough to get my mod status/source ranked in the top ten.
yeaaaaah... Good bye to another fkn tool!
Whats that supposed to mean?..... playing with fire now you fkn knob.
We give you a blind eye chance and you come back with a smart mouth comment threatening our integrity........... fkn classic response from an idiot....... EAT THIS.......... BANNED.
After the flak we have taken lately about being too harsh i was just trying out a nicer tactic and this was the result............. EASE OFF.......... FKN NEVER!..... if anything im gonna get even harsher after this lesson.
Dr.RuzickaPersonally I would go higher test if you want more muscle but vitamin v is right. You're taller than I am and weigh less than me. Focus on eating and your compound exercises and you'll gain muscle and the more muscle you have, the easier it is to burn fat.
However in regards to the actual cycle. I feel like 500mg of test with 500-600 EQ over 16-20 weeks is a good, lean muscle building cycle. Make sure the test e is running two weeks after your last EQ pin due to the duration of EQ.And with the pct, I personally prefer running a moderate dose of Nolva/clomid two weeks BEFORE my last pin of EQ so as to prevent gyno and have it already at peak blood levels so your body starts producing your natty test as soon as your artificial test levels drop below normal
McSteelsonThank you for the one good replay I've received to this. My opinions and choices don't match with a lot of the bigger guys on here, so I can't stress how glad I am to read a reply that actually answered my question. I was thinking the test was a little low so I might meet you half way and bump it to 400mg every 6 days. I havent had any previous problems with gyno, but you're saying I should run nolva/clomid during the last 4 weeks of the cycle and continue it for another 4 weeks after the last test pin?
Run as much gear as you want but if you dont eat to goal you will not gain anything...... protein synthesis is the name of the game bro..... thats where the pounds come from!.
I insist you could gain 15lbs just with eating and NO steroids with all the natty test still blasting through your young body.
You say its NOT a diet issue!.. then why do i weigh 68lbs more than you and i produce ZERO natty test?.... because i aim for 6800/7000 cals pr day.
the young bloods ain't hearing this bro :(
LOL true bro.... it reads like a fkn open book on these boards... youngsters come onboard advertising 15/20lbs + gains..... SIMPLE FKN FACT is that they ALL should!... gallons of natty test supercharged up with exogenous compounds BOOOM!... 99% even with an absolute car crash of a cycle will gain!... everybody has fantastic first and second cycles its an age old thing none of us ever forget!... its when these fkers progress to further cycles gains stop dead in the water WHY!..... fkn easy answer like you was preaching......... NUTRITION CONTROLS EVERYTHING!,, and it gets even harder when nutritional needs control if we lose lbs pr day if we dont intake enough..... at my stage now has you well know my weight is purely controlled by food, .. amounts of gear mean nothing, i can gain or lose simply dependant on calorie intake... i cant wait for these youngsters to ever reach this state of the game, thats when most simply WALK AWAY.
McSteelsonI'm well aware I'm at the age where natty test peaks, however you guys should know very well that genetics play a HUGE role in determining how much lean tissue someone can put on. It's kind of upsetting to hear people throw the blanket statement of "do your research" or "eat more" on these forums without the knowledge of the person's body type, current diet or even training regimen. Granted it's rare to ever get all the facts, but dismissing this is as simply a bad diet is just as bad a response as trolling would be. Personally I don't ever want to weigh more than 205 lbs in my life ergo why I've put together lower dose cycles as to disrupt my natural production as little as possible and optimize lean tissue gains. But for real, "amounts of gear mean nothing" I know you're trying to prove a point but that's kind of a ridiculous statement. Thanks for your responses though.
I know you're trying to prove a point but that's kind of a ridiculous statement.
Not usually know for talking out my ass but mostly for bringing people good results!.... but knowing you think of me as a cunt is alright by me..... enjoy your time here but just stay out my fucking way from now on.
why are you pinning 1x a wk?
5'11" 186 after 2 cycles? were you like 160 when you started?
Sounds like premature cycling and some serious dieting issues bro
My suggestion would be more research and more eating before you move on
McSteelsonIsn't the half life for both 7 days? and yes I was 160 when I started last year. I've been lifting for 8 years now and I've competed at nationals for physique so I'm pretty confident it's not a diet issue.
for steady hormone levels 2x a wk is the standard (aside form trt doses)... this is general knowledge my man, so if this is how you ran your previous cycles you will get great results from running a proper cycle
Lifting 7 yrs before cycle and you were 5'11 160? that sounds like a diet issue to me bro, sorry
McSteelsonI would have bet my left nut the half life of both was 7 days and after a bit of research I came across a standard of 4-7 days. So I think we were both right, unless you were referring to breaking the dose up into 2 pins. Keep in mind that I was 18 when I started lifting and I've never gone above roughly 12% bf. It's painfully slow I know, but I've never wanted to "get big" I've always gone for the aesthetics. Thanks for the reply.
we hear that a lot around here... don't worry you won't LOL
bro I am not what is considered bulky big but I am 5'10" and carrying about 210 at the moment so I am in inch shorter and 20+lbs over... your height and weight just doesn't seem aesthetic to me
McSteelsonOkay you're 210 lbs but what's your bf %? Anyone in the world can gain weight, lean tissue however is different story. I get where you're coming from with your opinion of what aesthetics are, but you're basically saying you think it's better to look like David Henry than it is to look like Steve Cook. I'm obviously the other way around.
No... I'm saying its better to know what the fuck you are doing... and it is painfully obvious that you are not here seeking guidance but looking for someone to validate your under educated approach. You had 2 mods with a combined 50+ yrs experience trying to point you in the right direction and all you want to do is argue and "be right"... V has given you a pass on your ignorance in what I'll believe is giving you an opportunity to reflect and I will honor that (for the moment)
How much Test were u running cycles 1 & 2 and what were the results? How much Winny did u run on cycle 2?
McSteelsonThey were low doses, I think 200 or 300 each with winny at 50 ED. Both times I gained around 17 lbs and retained most of it each time.
you gained 17 pounds each cycle and you weigh 186 now?? That means you started using steroids at 150???
McSteelsonNo, re-check your math and use your "exp" knowledge on how cycles work.
RustyhookerSo far i stayed off this hoping you'd wise up and try n learn. You shoulda named this post "I'M DOING IT SO PISS OFF". Noone here's gonna sign off your bs. Learn ir go elsewhere.
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McSteelsonhahahah thanks for getting salty when I pointed out your error. And of course I'm doing it, I didn't title the forum "I'm unsure if I want to run my 3rd cycle or not so please tell me I'm too young and that my diet should be better, especially if you're a 43 year old car salesman with 23% body fat" BEHOLD THE POWER OF A THUMBS DOWN!!!!
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+1 for getting angry though ;)