test cyp + var , lets go
23
6'1
182lbs
9%bf
Lifting for 6 years, boxing for 2 years prior to that.
So I've run 2 cycles prior to this and experimented before that with prohormones.
Lets say the ph phase was in high school, with OTC pct and horrible diet.
My first two cycles were test e/deca and test cyp/deca , first running 1cc(200/275) and second running 2cc(400/500) and found out that I had to get rid of deca for the progesterone sides were bothersome, I tried to run letro/caber to decrease them and it worked so I cut out deca and finished the test only cycle. I just finished 8 wks of pct from a 12 week cycle and have my stash ready to go for this next cycle. Im looking to gain lean muscle while putting on minimal bosyfat. My goals are to clear 200lbs by the end of 2013, meanwhile increasing strength and filling out/chiseling my figure. I currently have 100 anavar @ 20mgs, 3 bottles of test cup @ 200mg/cc, cabergoline, nolcadex, arimidex, and letrozole. I dont plan on using letro except as a last resort. My cycle is going to be critiqued for it won't start for another 6 weeks. This is what im thinking
week 1 anavar 40mg/ed (kickstart * not sure if this would benefit me being a week and only 40mg)
Week 1-15 test cup 400mg/wk ( two injections to balance hormone levels )
Week 11-15 anavar at 60mg/ed (84 pills, 16 left over, first week??)
Cabergoline will be ran e3d at 0.25mg
Arimidex will be 0.25/ed
Will not run nolva during cycle unless unwanted sides come about, using nolca as first line of defense and letro as second.
Pct will be arimidex 0.25 and nolvadex and 20mg for 8-10 weeks.
My diet will be relatively uniformed,
Breakfast 600-1000calories, 50-80carbs, 40g protein
Snack fruit / veggies
Lunch ~1000 calories, 100-150g carbs, 40g protein
Snack fruit / carrots (sometimes I stockpile beef jerky or fishapread for late snack)
Dinner is usually 1200+ calories, 100-150g carba, 40-60g protein
Protein shake - 200 calories, 50g carbs, 25g protein
Rough calories 3000-3500
Rough carbs 300-400
Rough protein 150
I work a desk job and if im not on the phone im allowed to munch
I workout 5-6 days a week, 2 days a week I hit cardio and weights
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Im at 145g right now with 3 chicken breast and some rice veggies cooking. Will drink a protein shake after I write this so ill be at+75g so 220g with 1 more snack ill make around protein maybe a skillet with alotta eggs and a protein shake before bed so I should we around 300g by bedtime
Do u really only workout 2 days a week? If u really want resulta u need to change some things. U should be hitting the weights at the least 4 or 5 days a week to start. U also need to eat at least every 3 hours with a full meal. Imo u would be better off bulking out a bit instead of cutting right now. U will be alot happier if u took the time to put a bit of muscle on your frame before u decide to cut. Start out with c-daddys bulking diet below and when u r used to the extra calories and eating every 2 or 3 hours, ditch the oats, brown rice and sweet potatoes in favor of red potatoes, white rice, pasta, and keep the oats for breakfast(I like the flavored type) . U should eventually look for a 60,30,10 ratio with carbs, protein, and fat. Imo when your a skinny kid-u need to eat big!
He said cardio x2 per week, works ou 5 or 6 times per week.
Thanx bro, misread it.
The guys have spelt this out, this is all about increasing your food intake rather than AAS. Read your comments about your job not allowing you to munch at your desk, shakes / milk etc? AAS eating what you're eating at the moment WILL NOT add muscular bulk, you'd be wasting your money.
Reading everyone's replies I think there might be something wrong with this guys diet.
LMAO!
cdaddy7With Viking request, here is my mass diet....my personal diet and favorite for big results guaranteed....but you have to eat every few hours so you cannot start meal 1 at 9AM
Meal 1: 10 egg whites and 3 whole eggs=50g protein, 1.5 cup oats
Meal 2: 2 8 oz. chicken breast=50g protein, 1.5 cup mashed sweet potato
Preworkout : 2 scoop whey=approx 50g protein,1 cup oats
Post workout: 2 8 oz. chicken breast=50g protein, 1.5 cup brown rice
Meal 5: 2 6 oz. lean mince/ground beef=50g protein, 1 cup mashed sweet potato, veggies
Meal 6: 2 4 oz. tilapia fillets=50g protein, 1/2 cup brown rice
Meal 7: 2 cans of albacore tuna fish very low sodium in H2O=60g protein, 1 cup oats
Meal 8: Bedtime shake 2 scoops casein=50g protein, 2 tbsp. natural PB
NICE!... just made me hungry,now i have to eat again lol.
Bam!! Now you just flexed hard as hell!
You are over 6 foot with a weight of 182lbs you need to eat not jump on gear. Before you do a cycle you need to have your diet perfect and no excuses not to stick with it. Like fast said your protein levels are a joke. If you naturally stay skinny you would be fine with 500 carbs pr day and you would need to bump your protein to at least 362. I would save the fruit for after workout. Seeing how you have a job you can eat at.I would eat every 2 hours. I would try to stick with around 60 grams of protein pr meal. Out of everything the eating is the hardest part for me . That is why you should get to where you can handle it before doing AAS.
cdaddy7Ok fast... Here's my exact cutting diet I use:
Meal 1: 5 whole eggs and 4 egg whites
Meal 2: Protein Shake 50g Whey Protein with 1.5 tablespoon of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar)
Meal 3: 8oz chicken with 1/2-cup cashew nuts (almonds, or walnuts)
Meal 4: Protein Shake 50g Whey Protein with 1.5 tablespoons of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar)
Meal 5: 8oz Salmon or RED MEAT with a green salad (no tomatoes, carrots, or red peppers) with 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil or Macadamia nut oil and vinegar
Meal 6: Protein Shake 50g Whey with 1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter or 4 whole eggs and 4 extra whites
Very similar to what i would do for a cutting/conditioning diet... for pre/comp it would be swapped to white fish every meal with the weight/protien grammage balanced to pre/existing body weight.. i.e at my weight the amounts would be around 16oz pr meal for optimum intake with nothing but spinach for carbs,this would have me not cut but totally ripped for stage work running this style of diet for14/16 weeks.
+3 for an excellant example of a cutting diet brother.
For this guy he think he needs a full blown bulking diet to give him some size first.
Brother.......his stats. 182 & 9%bf.. 9% =9lbs/100....so this guy CUT weighs 164!!!! At 6ft 1 in.
His GOAL.....200 lbs. He said dekka/test to bulk. His problem is not enough calories! He's walking beanpole. We gotta read STATS and GOALS. He can dump gallong of test all over his Wheaties and not grow because his diet sucks. He does not need steroids. He needs some 7-9000 clean calories! This guy is bony starving or he's a hardgainer. Either way its needs MORE food. Yet, on here there's all forms of good cycles for a 215lb dude. Cutter cycles are posted here!!! So what? So he can be 164lbs?? Cmon bro....
X2..HE NEEDS A FULL BLOWN BULKER TO PUT SOME SIZE ON FIRST.
Your protein is at the level for a 75lb kid. 2-2.5g protein per pound bodyweight. Sorry buddy to bust the gear party but you need natty bulk before you ever touch gear. Gear is not a fixall . If you dont eat right you wont grow. I'd advise no cycle til you're over 210 all natty. Your diet is failing your success.
Do not cycle! Do your kitchen first!
Supernova283He should be fine if he throws a couple big protein shakes in. His diet isn't really all that bad just a little low on the protein side.
Edit: wait this is a cutting cycle. Never mind I agree diet kinda sucks to be cutting with.
Cutting? He's 182 & 8%bf.. He needs well over 5000 protein loaded calories all natural no steroids to bulk.
Cmon guys! We can layout cycles all day long. Im even seeing cutters posted. This guys food sucks. We know that's the key to growing......
6-1 & 185.......
cdaddy7Christoph, you have options and all has been laid out in front of you....You have to decide what's best for you....Now i posted this earlier but you never commented...I suggest you read it
Your gonna need to read this to no matter which cycle you choose...Thats the key element for cycle grwoth is DIET
http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/nurition...
thank you, I bookmarked this and even showed a colleague already lol.you and zewi are very informative and leave me with very good choices to make, thanks.
You need some protein man.... in a bad way. Your looking to add a cutter but your carbs are higher than your protein? If I were you, id probably look at a 40/40/20 split on macros. 150 is not close to enough
+1 !!! This guy needs FOOD
Yea, I think I will include 50g pre-workout as well as pbutter with snacks to include more protein
I wouldn't count peanut butter as a "good" source of protein.. Try chicken, beef, egg whites, fish etc.. the list goes on
BINGO! GUY NEEDS FOOD +1
56toomark
Since cyp is more a retainer it allows for better muscle growth no? The longer ester is more reasonable as far as pinning goes, also with its half life I think the cyp is a great candidate since I want to run it for 3-4 months. I realize I will gain weight but water weight can be shredded with my boxing cardio so im not worried about a. Little extra gain there. I just didn't want a deca/dbol Weight gain.
cdaddy7Honestly the Cyp vs enanthate in the test world is like the Pepsi vs coke challenge.....It's definitely and individual's preference....I use test e but that's me , the other guy uses Cyp.....they are so close but one has the edge over the other in different arguments but I think the are on even ground and the choice is yours
So then to skip the test issue(I've used test e, and test cup and like cyp-) is anavar to jumpstart worthless? Also, thanks yo everyone inputting their wisdom on here, the diet guide will be a great help as I've gotten away from oats and have been eating a little dirty .. Bacon mmmm..
cdaddy7Yes that is why we both chose the test prop.....u could consider subbing the prop kickstart with Tbol @ 50mg/day and run it for up to six weeks, bc u r lean u do have good options....let's see what my partner Zewi thinks....
zewiTbol is an option for a kicker.
I still think a shorter cycle--is his best beat--his BF% is so low at 9% that a short 8 week cycle--and if he is eating right--will do wonders for him being a boxer.
I mean his BF% is already so low.. why fuck with it with those longer watery cycles. Show much easier to control on shorter cycles.
1-6 Tbol @ 50mg ED
1-8 Test p @ 150mg EOD
1-8 Mast p @ 100mg EOD
cdaddy7X2 Z, Damn mighty fine cycle brainstorm once again!!!!!
zewiright back at you..
With that cycle he will gain good lean muscle, and not gain any fat.. or BF--if he eats right.. HE will look lean with more than likely a good solid 10-15lbs of good hard muscle.
Thanks to both of you for your help, its much appreciated!!
zewiYes Aanvar to jump start is worthless.
Anavar is a endear.
zewiTest Is test is test brother. Sure it a longer Ester so you don't have to pin as much.. But it doesn't make it better than Test E or Test p..
Because of the longer ester, you have a chance of more water weight/fat and bloat build up--and even sides(if you had high BF)...
Shorter ester like Test p will not give you that bloat and extra water/fat because its half life is so short, so it would be a leaner looking you.
cdaddy7Im with Zewi, let's sub you with EQ cutting cycle with best results if you want to go longer
Week 1-4 Test P @ 100mg EOD
Week 1-16 EQ @ 600mg/Wk split doses
Week 1-18 TEST Cyp @ 375mg/Wk split doses
Week 15-19 Test P @ 100mg EOD
Arimidex .25mg e3d or Aromasin 12.5mg EOD staring no later than week 3
Start PCT 3 days after last Test P injection
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
zewiyeah--everyone loves that cutter... ;) since someone had to let it out of the bag.. cant keep anything to the gurus..lmao..
you can drop the Test E at the same time if your running test p brother.
cdaddy7It's a mighty fine cycle Z
cdaddy7Your gonna need to read this to no matter which cycle you choose...Thats the key element for cycle grwoth is DIET
http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/nurition...
i would up test to 500mg per week so you will have to cut cycle short a few weeks if you cant get anymore test
anavar isnt really rated for a kickstart i would use dbol or test prop for dryer kickstart
Dbol will give me gyno, test prop is an interesting idea tho
just make sure you have plenty of ai's on hand if you take the dbol
My nipples have always been naturally puffy, only a little and no lumps but id rather not risk it for a compound so notorious for gyni sides
zewi"Im looking to gain lean muscle while putting on minimal bosyfat. "
IMO--i would run a much different cycle than the one you laid out.
Like what? The problem is im gyno sensitive to nandrolones.
zewiwell your BF% is plenty low to run a shorter harder leaner cycle.
You should be looking into test p and Anavar and mast p.
something like this
1-8 Test p @ 150mg EOD
3-8 Anavar @ 50mg ED
3-8 Mast p @ 100mg EOD.
AI-Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Start PCT 3 days after last shot
Clomid 100/100/50/50
nova 40/40/20/20
and if you wanted something longer you should be looking into EQ..
cdaddy7We sure do think alike brother LOL look up at the top !!