test cyp & deca cycle opinions
I am getting ready to run test cyp at 200 and deca 400 for 12 weeks. I don't like running high doses of test because I get acne and my hair is thinning. This is my 4 cycle all have been deca and test. I am wanting any advice cause I don't have as much knowledge as some. I plan on getting blood work done after pct this time since I now have insurance. Thanks Obama care. Also I took a year off because I was starting to get pain so bad in my elbow joints I couldn't get in a good workout. Have been back in the gym a week now and no pain at all so far. So here is the layout.
Age 32
Height 6"0
Weight 168
Week 1-12
CENSORED Test cyp 200 Deca 400
Week 4-13
Forma and the cyp will be ran on week 13
Week 14-17
CENSORED pct pills
1 pill for the first week and a half for the next three.
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At 6ft and 168lbs I think you're being impatient and diving back into gear too soon. I say this a lot, but when I see guys your size using gear they rarely hold onto a lot of it once they come off.
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Shite! My bad, boss, I missed that. Shoulda been me pointing that hours ago!
No worries wolfie............. thats why they pay me that extra $ pr week hahahaha
Riiiight. Hey, since youre on the prowl, would you please scroll down and see what you think about that finasteride and deca question? I read its ok to add with a tren and mast cycle, but deca?? I dont think thats good. Need the guru's opinion, if you would?
yeah its good to use with all 19s (and harsh DHTs) if the user is prone to hair loss bro, i have never had to use it personally but i know a lot do and swear by it
Thanks brother. If the op is paying attention, theres his answer.
Good call, everybody that helped out below. Good answers in there. Constructive. To the op: higher deca than test? Not a good idea. Test, deca, dbol is my favorite cycle. I run the test e and deca at 600/400 split into 2 pins. Just my fave.
Spend some more time in the gym. Make it a lifestyle. Reach some plateaus and then think about gear.
If your worried about your hair look into Finasteride. That shit had my hair as thick as it was when I was 12 yrs old in like 5 months. I quit taking it because I lost my libido. (doesn't happen to everyone.)
The truth of the matter is if your mothers father is bald your gonna be bald. Embrace it and embrace Test.
A question? Are you prone to Deca dick? If so Finasteride sides will not bother you at all.
cbass9955One more question. I haven't had health insurance til now for a long time so I have never had blood work done. When and where should I do this. Thanks
Im not 100%, but I think finasteride and deca make a bad mix. From my understanding, dht has an affinity for the aromatase enzyme. So this in effect helps keep e2 at a more manageable level without an ai. Hopefully someone with better knowledge than me will come in here and clear this up.
cbass9955Don't get deca dick, just gets hard to nut. Way to many sides with Finasteride for me. Test will still shut you down. Does it need to be the base yes. Is it always the answer no.
Are you implying that Deca doesn't shut you down? At 400mg a week? Dude, that is serious shut down. Adding Test, even a lot more Test, will not shut you down any harder than the 400 of Deca you will be running.
Deca shuts down most folks harder and longer than Test.
For me Deca is dick poison.
cbass9955No not at all. I think deca probably shuts you down worse than test. Just saying test still shuts you down. That forma works good for me in the bedroom while on cycle and pct. I also take it in place of caber because I have never had a problem with gyno.
19nors (deca/tren) are gonna shut you down the hardest regardless of doses/duration so in my opinion do it right if your going to take the plunge, have all needed ancillaries on deck and get bloodwork done at least twice.
Get yourself back in the gym for a few months and try to add the weight by training well and eating correctly as this will have a great effect if you've been laid up for a while as your body will respond and appreciate the new way of life..plus you will have some muscle memory which will take effect..
There is going to be nothing worst than jumping back on the gear and going to the gym to try and lift weights to high for your body all because your ego said you can do it and then boom!! A injury...because let's face it...that does and may happen.
If you train hard enough and want them gains bad enough then time shouldn't be a question as there is no such thing as a quick fix, as quick fixes just break again.
Get in the gym and get them joints lubed up first and good luck
cbass9955Quick question. Where is good place to get your bloods done. Just your regular doc? Also they don't hassle you when you come back with elevated test levels
I just went via my doc to the local NHS hospital, it all depends on how your doc is with you? I've always been upfront with my doc as there would be nothing worst than for something to happen to me after an injection etc etc and the hospital to not have it on records that I use anabolic.
I told him that I just was a bit frustrated as I seem to be having low days and high days and wasn't sure on to how the test was effecting my system and if I had suppressed test levels so he let's me get my test levels checked every year along with an ultra sound on splean, kidneys, liver and every 3 months just to check my cholesterol and liver enzymes etc.
Have u ever to your gp about the use of anabolics?
cbass9955No. I am a self employed housing contractor so I haven't had insurance til recently. I had to be near death to go to the doc. When is the best time during cycle to get bloods done and do I walk in and say I would like to have blood drawn to check my t levels.
Are u in the UK?
cbass9955No the states
Not sure how there systems work when it comes to blood test, might be a fact of going private I should think..post a question in the forum under the correct topic and someone will guide you
Wow...
There really r some no marks... Neg this comment when it's common sense.
I dont see where anybody negged it. I gave it a +1 yesterday...
Oops my bad, I looked at that as thumbs down...sorry fella and thank you
No worries mate. You gave a good answer.
cbass9955Helped me out
Four test/deca cycles and you only weigh 168..Gotta count your macros bro, I can guarantee your not eating enough. On that note npp should be your choice of gear for a 12 week cycle, deca needs to be run quite long (16-20 weeks) for optimal results. Try to get some caber/prami on hand just in case you have prolactin issues mid cycle. Seriously though count every gram of protein you eat for a few days and see for yourself, it takes a conscious effort to jam 300+ grams of protein in your body a day. Either way good luck with your cycle.
AnonI disagree here. He doesnt want to run npp for 12 weeks or deca for 20 weeks, the deca wont even clear for close to 6 weeks, so in reality hed be shut down for around 6 months. 20 week deca cycles are fir seasoned experienced users. Beginners with nandrolone should be- npp for a max of 8 weeks and deca for a max of 10- 12 weeks, you gotta count pct into the cycle aswell so at 20 weeks it would be more closer to 30 weeks to recover- time on plus time off- new cycle? No good.
I like to limit my deca to 14-16 weeks because anything longer is a long time to be shut down so thoroughly. Not saying youre wrong, just my personal preference.
16 weeks is decent, your gonna get shut down really hard with deca even if you just run it for 8 weeks so the way I look at it is go for gold and get the most gains you can. Pct is going to suck and should be extended 1-2 weeks when running a 19nor for so long. I personally use pharma only pct product when running deca. This is what works for me- 150/60 (1 week) 100/40 (2 weeks) 50/20 (2 weeks), also blasting hcg the last two weeks, right around 1500 iu every other day. Really helps in keeping losses to a minimum but as I said, this is what works for me, some will need more, some will need less.
cbass9955Does hcl help with keeping your muscle gains or just getting your t levels back to normal
cbass9955I did my first cycle in college at 22 and walked around at 145 -150 now when I don't workout I Walk around 165-170. Also when I did my fist one I had never heard the word pct and eventually lost it all in 16 months. Doc I will definitely count the grams and shoot for 300 a day. Never tried that. Preciate it and Cb you have a good point it never really crossed my mind about doing to much to fast. I will hold off long as I can and not push hard as possible fast as possible which is exactly what I would have done. Bet
AnonYou've been back in the gym for a week and want to get back on cycle? Whats your diet look like?
cbass9955Lot of protein. Whey, tuna, chobani. Just try to eat as much as possible. I have lost a lot and I'm not real big on patience. I want it back now