-1 Tbol only cycle for newbies
Hi,
This is going to be my 1st steroids cycle ever and i choose to go with the oral steroids only route. I have done my reading on steroids and i understanding many don't like the idea of oral steroids only cycle but i have made up my mind so please respect my decision.
For this cycle i was debating between anavar or tbol but after reading about the two im deciding to go with tbol 1st and see how it goes, and perhaps anavar for my next cycle if i ever decide to run gear again. I choose tbol for its muscle mass building benefits not so much for the strength department. Im going to be using it while on a clean bulk, hopefully ill be seeing some great results in lean mass development.
Dosage: 300 x 10mg pills
80mg ed for ~ 5 weeks
Pct: 20 x 50mg clomid for 17 days
200mg 1st day in pct and 50mg for 16days
Stats:
28 years old
5'8.5 and 192 bls
Bf: 9%
Years training: over 10 years give and take
Any pointers on the dosage timing and if i should slip it into two am/pm and any other ideas/suggestions that can help a newbie to oral steroids would be greatly appreciated.
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I wish someone would tell the MODS when they choose to alter/change the eroids long standing protocol on ZERO ORAL cycle advice....... myPM box is flooded with guys asking for explanations etc!..... let me state something here and hope to fuck that it is adhered too because if i see ANY oral only advice being given on our board!.. the perpetrator will be in serious shit.
Do whatever you want to your bodies, give whatever advice in PM that you choose i dont care..... BUT THIS BOARD WILL REMAIN TO BE AN OIL BASED TEST ONLY FIRST CYCLE medium.
Are we ALL clear?.. good! now lets carry on doing what we do.
Got it boss. I knew all of us knew it wasn't the proper way to do things but I didn't know it was against eroids policy.
But there is one exception here. Oral only cycles are totally fine if the user has a vagina lol
So let's start here, what do you have against a basic test e cycle? Better gains, you'll feel like a king the entire time, less harm to the body. As others said when you run tbol without test it's gonna shut down your natural production. Do you know the sides of low or no testosteone? Now some people do fine on oral onlys, very few tho. But you could suffer depression, sexual issues , lethargy , and every other side that goes along with low t. On a basic test cycle you'll gain double the amount you will on tbol and it will be a very fun ride I promise.
Jello, mak , crydes, pege, and mr patroiots guy. How many of you have ran an oral only cycle? Or are all of you just regerjatating info you read someone where else? Let me redirect you guys to a recent post by mr catalyst. It's about not being a sheep. Check of out. https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/there-are-other-...
Plus this guys natty and bigger then most of you guys myself included. Add a little tbol in there with hard training an a good diet ( as it's obvious he's got those aspects down being lean at almost 200 and he's only 5'8 and he will lay down a noticable amount of lean tissue. Are oral onlys optimal? No, would I do it? No, but some people travel a lot, have to hide it from they're spouse, don't have big goals but have hit a plateau etc. lots of diff reasons.
Some people feel great the entire cycle, some suffer the sides frkm shutting down natty test. This is what op wants to do so let's help him do it as safely as possivle. Then after he can see for himself if oral onlys are optimal or not for him.
Sorry didn't mean to include p2i2t, you gave him advice on how to run the tbol cycle instead of flaming for running any oral only cycle. Sorry guys, it's early, I'll read the entire thread next time before makin any comments.
AnonDo you disagree with my post below? I'm not regurgitating broscience, taking tbol on its own will suppress his natural test levels. Therefore he may suffer the sides of low test. If you or the op disagrees I would implore him to get bloodwork during this cycle and prove me wrong. How is that being a sheep?
I've read catalysts post and yes, there are different ways of doing things. Does that mean all of them are optimal? Fuck no. Different doesn't always mean better or safer. I did run an oral only cycle when I was younger and didn't know better, so speaking from a personal as well as a research point of view, I advised the op against this and stated why. Did I flame him? No. Am I trying to give constructive criticism and help the best I can, absolutely.
But at the end of the day you are right, people are gonna do what they wanna do and I could really give a fuck less about it. I've given the best advice I can offer, I won't waste my fucking time anymore with this shit. Learn the hard fucking way and maybe then he will understand.
That's why I said most of you are sheep, not all. You didn't flame or anything you laid out the basic facts.
But exactly my thinking, people are gonna do what they want, hes of age, based off his stats he's bigger then 80% of Eroids members who have been cycling for years, so let's get him set up worh the most efficient an safest cycle. Then After he can decide for himself if it's worth it. The only benefit from an oral cycle is recovery will be easier, besides that there's nothing
AnonI've said my piece, both here and in the cycle log post he created. I don't agree with what he has laid out and explained my reasons why, therefore I don't feel compelled to offer any more advice because I have none.
If someone was going to commit suicide I wouldn't tell them the most efficient and safest way to do it even if I didn't agree with what they were doing. That may seem a bit extreme but the basic analogy works the same. I'm confident other members can help him setup his cycle however he wants and I wish him the best.
That is so comparison is so drastic lol. I wouldn't help someone kill themselves either. But if someone's set on running any mild tbol cycle I'm gonna help. He could do it on his own and have little to no problems as the drug is very mild and liver toxcity is greatly overstated, or we could help him a bit and help him rjn a really successful cycle.
AnonAnd I am confident you will help him be successful
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I have been using tbol before you were old enough to drink so I think I may have some experience to back my claims up versus textbooks. The guy wants to use a 53-0 oral in hopes of gaining muscle, why dont you school him with your vast experience and knowledge instead of calling us sheeple and parrots? no offense iron but you come.off pretty cocky for a guy on so many different compounds with very little to show for it. At least the guys you called out have some size to their assistance to show that they researched.
But you're rigjt my post came off as disrespectful and cocky as hell. I could have made the same point in a much better tone. My apologies brother
Lol on so many differnt compounds bold cyp and test e. Very little to show for it other then close to 100lbs of muscle in 3 years.....ya I must be doing it wrong. You wanna start calling out physiques homie? One of the most disrrespectdil things you can do on here. Here's one for ya bro. You say you're 18% bf but you think it's higher at 209, I'm getting close to 220 at 12%bf. if I was 18-20% like You I would be close to 245lbs at 6ft, which Shits all over you. If you learned down to my bf you'd be. 170lbs, basically do you even lift status. it's simple basic math check it yourself. So what have you done in the last 3 years? Increased your totalt body weight by 100lbs while keeping abs, and I still have never used a gram of test. You ever seen abs? So let's refrain from calling out physiques when I'm much more devoped then you and about 30 yeRs younger. Fuck by the time I'm you're age I'll be lean at 275. You been using steroids for all this time and this is what you have to show for it?
I wasn't trying to be disrespectful in my initial post, I was trying to show you guys there's another way an we don't all have tj same goals and I didrm like how you guys shit all over this guy and negged his post. And then you wanna come at me like that? Watch It
But yes, I'm calling most of you sheep. In a few days I'm gonna have my training partner who's and ifbb pro make an account and he can tell you about how much of his mass he attributes to dbol cycles back in the day. So hmm, ifbb pro, 5"9 260 lean, or Mack who would be 145 in stage condition if you got lucky.
The correct way that you should have responded to my post was hey iron they came off as a little disrespectful, but you're right we do need to keep an open mind more these days as we all have different goals. But instead you wanna talk about knowledge give I hAce 10000000 times more then you and a physique that's 10 ties more advanced and I build it in 1/10th the time as you cause I know how to eat.cand not just pin a ton of gear like you and hope to grow while eatinf McDonald's all day
At 1st I was upset at myself for calling you out and I was going to apologize but seriously man. I am a powerlifter, I had abs and lean muscle in my teens without working out. I havent seen my abs since 3 years ago when i was diagnosed with low t and put on replacement. I dont eat fast food, I barely eat sweets so yes my diet is fucked but i can GUARANTEE you when I tighten myself down in the next 6 months I will shut a lot of mouths. Those pics I posted I was 18% according to my doctor and my fat is midsection because I am a powerlifter not a body builder but I am making the transition as I writethis. Do i lift? Hmm biggest squat was 600 twice, biggest dead was 575, biggest bench was 425 and I did those numbers while being a fat ass. As I transition im finding i cant do that anymore because I have no cushion and i LOVE gains made without peptides and 6 different compounds at once. I am in the process of getting a coach too so lets see what happens in the next 6 months shall we? I will be down from my current 214 to 180 and a beast.
And like I said I appolgiIzdd above cause I felt bad for doijg the same thing you did. You will be a fuckijg beast at 180 lean and in 6 months I hope to be lean at 220. So instead of bickering let's fucking hit if hard and reach our goals. No reason for this bullshit arguing were all here for the same thing. You'll get there bro, dieting sucks balls but it's temporary pain, the satisfaction of beijg big and shredded is much greater then the pain of eatinf a shitty bland ass diet. Good luck brotha
Agreed.
Iron, Irish, that is some gentlemanly fucking conduct right there. My hat goes off to you gents, this could have easily turned into a shitstorm...
It was my fault, I came off a little cocky and disrespectful in my initial post. I could have made the same point in a much more constructive way. At the end of the day were all on steoids here. And overall this kikda shit doesn't happen very much which is crazy considering that everyone on here is on steroids lol.
Thanks Great read.
Life is all about trial and error. (Open mind = personal growth)
Correct sir. We don't ever tell people to run oral only cycles, only so much muscle can be built in 5-6 weeks. And they harder on the body then a basic test and the test cycle will result in much better gains. But it can work. I lift with a lot of guys who been doijg this since the 70s and a lot of them attribute a lot of their overall mass to dbol cycles.
AnonTaking tbol on its own will shut down your natural testosterone production. If you dont supplement with exogenous testosterone then you will may suffer from all the sides of low test. Balanced hormone levels are necessary for overall health, this is why some dose of test should be run at the base of cycles.
Even if its a low dose to keep your test levels in a healthy range would be fine. You could probably maintain this on 100-150mg of test per week. Tbol also lowers shbg, which will increase free testosterone levels. This is a good thing if you are trying to build lean mass.
Also, the androgenic rating of tbol is basically zero, so adding testosterone will help balance out the anabolic to androgenic ratio. You gotta keep everything in check, its a delicate process sometimes but it makes life much easier. It will also produce quality gains that will be easier to maintain.
Ok I respect your decision, now can you explain to us why you don't want to run a very basic test cycle? You seemed to have left that part out
I can see you really did not do proper research like you say. Tbol has muscle building power as a secondary not as a primary. Read some of my posts because im tired of answering tbe same thing over and over. I love tbol and could write a fkn book on it and I assure you you are shutting yourself down for zero benefit for what you are using it for. Tbol lowers shbg and increases strength and endurance and is effective at building muscle at doses of 150mg or more. Lower then that should be used when combined with an injectable. Which means you just made it more hepatoxic then oral tren. If you are intent on running orals only you will be disappointed with your results.
Do what you must but even as a noob man really consider a test cycle. Trust us the needle doesn't hurt lol
Sorry I cant respect your decision , and I really want to neg this post , because your sending the wrong message , out there I didnt even read your whole a post , I dont need to , it dont matter what oral you run its going to shut you down. , no matter how little or how much. Sorry but im aginst -1. test is a must
I wasn't sending any message to anyone, simply i just want to hear people's opinion on what they thought about the cycle im "thinking" of running and take in their thoughts and opinion. Not sure why people get offended so easily nowadays smh
P2i2tif you are definitely going to run this please at least split your dose. I would do personally do two 12 hour splits using whichever times are most convenient to you. In a perfect world I would do three 8 hour splits. But I understand thats not always of convenience. this way you can keep a more stable blood serum level.leading to less side effects and ultimately more benefits.please research a better PCT protocol as well. Just my suggestion. Obviously do what you want. And you are going to do what you are going to do. Hint, nolvadex....also 4 weeks not 3. just my opinions. this will help you not lose every single thing you have worked for throughout your cycle.
I DO NOT condone this cycle but if it is going to be run I figured some help is better than no help! testosterone should always be the base of any cycle! Period!
This is great, people like you really help newbies understand things better without bashing them. I greatly appreciate your feedback and advice.