+ 1 Synergistic Cycles
So I have a theory that I'd like to figure out and maybe you guys can shed some light on this theory. I recently posted about the differences in Test E and Test Cyp. Now I got a lot of awesome answers but one question went unanswered. Can the half life differences between the two be used more strategically. Now obviously test is test but you're not just going to pair Test Prop with Deca. there's no logic to that.
However, the Test E/Tren E stack is pretty well known and both utilize the same ester therefore releasing into the system at an equal rate. Now here is my theory, I that in that particular instance the two base compounds may work together better than say Test Cyp and Tren E because of the synergy between the two esters. Now could this be applied to other compounds. Would Test Cyp be more suitable to use with Eq Cyp and maybe Sust may be more suitable to use with Deca.
Now I have absolutely no proof nor do I have the proper experience with these compounds to say one way or another and this is obviously just like I said... a theory. So I'm looking to the members to shed some light on this. However this idea came about when I was reading an article that was posted here recently stating that old school bodybuilders loved the pharma Sust 250 and Deca (we both know the brand I'm referring to however obviously I can't name them). Now being that Sust has a Decanoate ester attached to it. Could that have been why they worked so well together? Obviously both being pharma grade has something to do with why they were so powerful but I'm sure you guys get where I'm going.
I look forward to your responses! Enjoy your weekend fellas!
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your thinking too hard about it all. as long as blood levels remain stable you can mix and match esters and you like.
i very rarely use short ester test, but i use other short esters all the time. it might be more convenient to match short esters to a certain extent, but it also has its draw backs. oil volume comes to mind.
there are certain drugs that are synergistic to a certain extent though. provi will enhance just about any cycle.
Well said, I've never understood why lads constantly say "don't mix esters". That's where the fun is! As long as blood levels are stable of course!
300 SavageWinstrol and NPP was very very synergetic for my self.. NPP gave me size..while the winstrol kept me tight..
Those 2 worked amazing together..
Synergy comes from stacking an oral with test or test with another compound for what your goal or goals are, you can mix and match all day but if it doesn't match your goal its worthless. Stacking lets say test e with dbol and going above maintenance for calories for a cut is not synergy, but anavar and test 500 under would be. E.t.c e.t.c. Its about goals and researching what the different compounds do.
RustyhookerSaw your current cycle and pix. You shouldn't be fucking with no base or knowledge. The questions your asking are good for learning but you're jumping into a nightmare
Oh nah bro any usage I refer to is in the past. I'm not gonna be touching anything for a while. I have lots of work to do before jumping back in. Anything I ask is just a question at this point. I'll re address any AAS usage when I'm at 10-13% bf and have my diet in check. I got a good ass chewing the 1st day for talking some dumb shit and since then I've learned to just ask questions and soak up the knowledge. I appreaciate it though. Thanks for looking out!
Thats the attitude, brother! Stay receptive and willing to learn. You'll get farther heading in the direction you're going, now, than you would if you were runnin' solo....
what I will say, based on my experiences and hearing what others have said who know their body well and especially for those starting to get a little older is while test E/P/C/SUS are all test you may have slightly different responses to each. For instance I notice I hold less water on prop than test e or c. to say that I would claim any sort of synergistic result or application, I can not agree with this.
I think its great you are thinking in scientific terms. however, in this case you are probably unnecessarily over complicating things.
Yea like I said I'm 110% sure I'm over complicating it for no reason. And when I was brewing I just had a hard time understanding how cypionate and enanthate could be so closely related when I could get the old to hold almost 400 mg of test e without any BB but cyp would crash at close to 300 mg with 20% BB. That's all. I hope that wasn't against the rules but I just loved the chemistry behind it! I never really made very much money it was more for the chemistry.
Test is test, Deca is npp, tren ace is tren e. They are the same compound with just different esters. They are not more synergetic based on the half-life of the oil. More so of what compounds go well together. Like we all know test goes great with Tren or test goes great with deca. Because the fact is test goes good with everything. Regardless if it's test P, C, E or sust.
You're not going to mix dbol and winstrol just because they "kick in" at the same time.....
Yea I know. Idk bro I thought I had this profound thought for a sec and then shortly afterwards realized that it was dumb lol. Thanks for your input though!
No question is a dumb question. You asked something and you learn something from it and that's the whole point.
Testrogen_PropC...In my opinion I think you're over thinking it a bit. Its all about getting blood levels of each compound to the level you want it at and maintaining those blood levels without spikes and dips. That can be done with Test Prop and Tren E the same as it can be done with Test E and Tren E.
Because regardless of ester test is test and tren is tren. All the ester determines is how often you're going to need to pin it to keep each one at stable levels.
In my opinion synergistic cycles is more of determining what compounds compliment eachother, that matters far more than what ester you're using.
Different compounds can lend synergy to each other but the esters aren't the synergistic part. Time your esters to keep plasma levels the most stable and bingo.
That's what I was getting at you just worded it much better. Thanks bro!
It is often times convenient to match esters but it won't make or brake the cycle. Fluctuating levels can break it though
Yea I think I put the emphasis on the wrong aspect of the question.
great response and good information. I would like to add that although sustanon has a deconate ester on ONE form of test in the blend, there are other esters as well. That being said and elaborating on what TP has stated, many people who discuss sustanon speculate that frequency of injections should actually be every other day. There is also phenyl and propionate esters in the blend so it goes back to what TP said, injecting sustanon fewer than 3 or 3\4 times a week would go against maintaining hormone levels as balanced as possible.
Testrogen_PropC...+1 Shiva good info from you as well brother. The prop and phenylprop esters are also the reason id pin sust EOD.
Joey- it wouldn't really be much more work to keep test prop stable (in the sense that I think you're saying) it would mean more frequent pins though. But that's so second nature to me that I don't see it that way. I even pin Test E EOD at times just to keep blood levels nearly as stable as humanly possible. If I was going on vacation though, I'd pin it twice a week.
Ive never used sustanon because it just seems unnecessary. Have you used it? If so, was it really worth it?
I'm wanting to try test phenylpropionate in the future just for the hell of it to see what its all about.
Testrogen_PropC...I have used sust once and actually just got some sust amps in from a promo to give it another go. I did like it on the last go round but as of right now I cant think of any reason to recommend it over individual vials of cyp and prop to make a more simplified "redneck sust" if you know what I mean, because you'd have more control over "per ester doseage"
I'll report back after this next go round as well and see if I notice anything different. But I'd have to say although it was good I don't see a whole lot of benefit over cyp/E and some prop from my short experience with it.
Tpp is basically the same as prop without the pip. Prop gives you issues with pip, your alternative is tpp then.
I hear what you're saying. Yea that's what I was referring to because I have pinned eod and after a while it becomes more of a chore to me and I was like "fuck I gotta do this again" lol but thanks for your input guys I really appreciate it!
Testrogen_PropC...No problem dude at least your question had some thought and research behind it. Most of the questions we get here are more along the lines of "dur hur should I run tren by itself for my first cycle?"
I'm gonna go thumbs up your question right after I post this because of it.
And as for test prop, I pin it everyday. EOD I can actually feel spikes and dips in blood levels, and that gives me side effects that I don't enjoy. Lol
I tried that 50mg ed thing but the scar tissue built up so fast. My rotation is glute, glute, delt, delt with the fast acting but with long acting it's glute, glute, quad, quad. I don't have the balls to put prop in my quad. And thanks for the info man. I actually know someone who ran tren for his first cycle by itself lmao.
I see what you're saying and it makes 100% sense. I'm just saying that because test e and tren e have the same absorption rate being that they're both enanthate esters it'd easier to keep levels balanced. You could certainly do the same with prop because yes its still test it'd just be more work no? I'm about 110% sure I'm overthinking things lol no doubt about that bro.