posted Sat, 03/24/2018 - 07:55
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Sustanon 250 experience and suggestions please
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Ok so I've done some research and understand how the different esters act and about half life's and such. Through reading different forums I've seen most people suggest pinning ed or eod. I want to keep dosage between 375-500mgs a week. What would be the best pinning option .5cc eod or lower the dosage and pin ed?
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Bro listen to what these guys have to say their trying to help you not hinder you. If they didn't give a shit they would be like fuck it pin that Sust while at it want you go ahead and run some tren and some Abombs to but their not they are trying to point you in the right direction so that you don't mess yourself up or waste your time and money on a cycle that you get nothing out of. When I first got here to eroids I had that I'm going to do what I want to do regardless of what any of y'all have to say and you know what my first cycle was a waste the only thing I got out of it was a hard dick No Homo and some crazy jacked up E2 I was moody as shit and if you sneezed I would cry. So I learned to listen the hard way. Now if I ask for advise I listen and apply it so take in all that these guys have to say listen and apply it like I said their only trying to get you to do whats best for you and your body. These guys know their shit and they are smart, knowledgeable and pretty good dudes. Its all up to you in the end all we can do is advise
RustyhookerI already have the stuff in hand and mind made up about running it.
Gave no info. Just get on with your bad self. Why ask? Go run it.
I have given info. And I went for pre bloodwork. I am not just jumping gun. Was asking for thoughts on best way to run it from people who have used the compound before. And if there are things that have to be adjusted I will make the changes. Like adding the Clomid to pct. I have read a lot that dosages under 500mgs a week only nolva was necessary. Most on here are stating that it's absolutely necessary to have Clomid and nolva. No need to be sarcastic with it. I came to get the information needed and am taking in everything that members are saying. If I wanted to just go ahead with my bad self I would've just started it. As a more experienced user I would value your advice and input on the proper way to run the compound
RustyhookerThen as asked many times below....whats your priors? Sust isnt for newbs. Not because its magic but because its multi pins per week. You run 10 plus pin points before for 14 weeks?
Stop fishing for spoonfeed. Post YOUR priors etc that folks asked. I wasnt being a smartass. Your replies are substandard. So therefore just do it. You got all the research done....get on with it
If you dont want to wait until test e peaks maybe consider a test p kicker. Then you dont have to worry about sustanon. Just a thought.
I did consider this. Now my reasoning might be wrong but with pinning just the prop at say 100 mgs wouldn't the pip be worse than breaking the sust down into smaller injections since you wouldn't get the larger amount of prop
I think it all depends on you. I dont have any worse pip with prop than enathate. Some people do though.
And like fusebox says. It will give you a chance to see how you are with pinning ed or eod. You may get a week in and say "fuck this. Thats too much" as you need a good amount of spots to pin.
The pinning doesn't bother me as I am very comfortable with using syringes. But I didn't experience any pip with test E and I heard it's minimal with sust compared to the prop
Who knows. But it does give you a chance to try EOD injections before you jump into a sust run and gives you a chance to locate your ten spot for your rotation of injections. Just saying.
Cycle plan:
Sust250 weeks 1-14
A.I. arimidex .25-.5 eod or e3d depending on lab results and how I react
Pct nolvadex - I know people say Clomid and nolva, last time I felt fine with just nolva
I have hcg on the way am looking at running that the time from last pin to when I start pct
So you say the Dr wants to put you on trt why are you in such a hurry to run a cycle and a complicated one at that. And you stated you never ran precycle bloods. Have you even recovered from your previous cycle that you say nolva worked just fine for your pct. And how come you're just responding to everyone but me. I have lots of questions. Let's start there
Never said anything about being in a rush. I have the compound in hand and am sitting on it. I stated that I am waiting for results before I do anything. And yes previously I was fine from what I know. Yes I did everything wrong the first time around being that I didn't do any research on my own or any bloodwork and just went by what 1 person was telling me. These being the reasons that I am aking advice and waiting for bloodwork to come back. Also doctor says she is most likely to prescribe a gel which I will use for just the regular trt but that isn't going to do jack for the results that I want for the gym. And as to responding I am trying to talk to everyone but I am also at work.
Looks like you've already made up your mind. What is the plan
I know you guy's have to be responsible with the advice and info you give and thank you for being concerned and not wanting to fuck anyone up. I know the seriousness surrounding aas. I am going to run the cycle when everything is in order that is why I asked for the best way to go about it. I understand that everyone reacts different and there's no set outcome. But after sitting back and reading alot of the posts for a while I figured I could get the best advice on how to run this the right way and if things need to be tweeked or adjusted that's what I will do. I want to be as safe as you can be with aas's. Also when is it best for mid cycle bloods to be done between 5-7 weeks?
I've ran a couple sust cycles. And the one I got right was the best I've had. 180 mg EOD. And it was magical. The other one I bailed on after estro sides took over because I wasn't ready for it. That's what I'm trying to help you avoid. If you haven't pinned eod or Ed yet I'd stick to test e with the prop kicker like Jay said and save the sust until you know you have ten viable pin points. Run the kicker 4 weeks. By then the test e is flowing good and bloods at 6 weeks. And I'd run pre cycle bloods to make sure you've recovered. If they are low I'd refer to what the doc says.
I know you guy's have to be responsible with the advice and info you give and thank you for being concerned and not wanting to fuck anyone up. I know the seriousness surrounding aas. I am going to run the cycle when everything is in order that is why I asked for the best way to go about it. I understand that everyone reacts different and there's no set outcome. But after sitting back and reading alot of the posts for a while I figured I could get the best advice on how to run this the right way and if things need to be tweeked or adjusted that's what I will do. I want to be as safe as you can be with aas's. Also when is it best for mid cycle bloods to be done between 5-7 weeks?
I have enough to run for 14 weeks with some to spare as long as everything runs smooth and I can keep levels in check with bloodwork and the use of ai. I was gonna split the difference in pinning twice a week and ed and do eod (unless it is said better to lower the dosage and pin ed).
Weeks 1-14 125mgs eod
A.I. starting week 4 arimidex .25-.5 mgs e3d unless mid cycle bloods say otherwise or I am more sensitive to the estrogen
Pct to be started 21 days after last pin (I know that with enan. Pct should be started 2 weeks after last dose but with the deconate from what I gathered it's almost 3 weeks if I'm wrong in the timings please correct me) nolva 40/40/20/20 p.m. dosing
I have hcg available to me but I'm getting mixed messages about really needing it. What I do understand is that it's best not to use on cycle because with the test signaling your body to stop production of natural test, introducing hcg (which will basically tell the body to start production of test) it's almost like shocking the body by sending both signals. So starting after last injection up until you start pct is what I've heard. But is it even needed
You've obviously done your research. +2. Read my post above and we will go from there
Fellas I have no reason to lie to anyone about who I am or what is going on. Simply was just trying to get some insight from people with experience with the compound. If I knew asking for some feedback was gonna get me lashed out upon I would've took it somewhere else. I'm sure everyone didn't just wake up one morning and was a gear expert.
It's sis labs sustanon 250
50mgs prop.
50mgs phenylprop.
50mgs iso
100mgs decon.
I ran 1 previous 12 week cycle test E last year suffered back injury and am now going to run second time. Went for bloodwork 2 days ago my doctor wants to look into trt. I will use labs for baseline levels once they come back. 1st cycle went great felt great no sides but didn't do any proper bloodwork. I know everyone's going to say stick with a single ester for second cycle, but seeing close friends outcomes with sust I have decided that I want to give it a run. They both used 250 twice a week but reading in the posts I see that is not the optimal way
You may now be TRT because of your first cycle. It happens.
When I was younger I acquired an opiate addiction after 3 reconstructive surgeries on my face. She thinks it's from that, but you're right that the first time around could've played a part. I'm very open with my Dr she knows everything about my past to present.
Edit out lab name mate
Apologies. I thought they were asking all specifics
He can't now that you responded
Your question is so vague it’s impossible to answer.
Is it sust 250mg? 300mg? 350? 450? And on top of that we still don’t know the breakdown of each ester because a lot of them are different.
What’s your body fat %? And cycle history?
Dominick77He is inquring about Sust250 and included that in his title, but I do agree we definitely need more basic information in order to assess the situation.
My bad! Was in the title, just not the description so my fault
Alright. You have done some research on sust. And EOD or Ed pins are the best option. But it is an advanced compound so what is you cycle history. If this is a first or second cycle it is advised here to run a simple test e or c cycle to get some experience pinni g and figuring out managing estro sides. Have we ran any bloods yet. Pre cycle, mid cycle, or post cycle from past cycles. Lots of info to gather here.
Dominick77This^^^^^ That is some solid info and a great example of a response from an "ADV" member. Thank you for taking the time to offer an informative and helpful response brother!
Dominick77Are your stats accurate? How many cycles have you ran in the past? What compounds did it consist of? Thumbs up for doing some research prior to posting, but I am curious as to why you chose Sust? What is your reasoning behind it? Is it the only compound that is readily available to you? Sust is fairly unstable due to the various esters it consists of. I personally prefer ED shots when it comes to Sust to keep bloods stable, however, I have found EOD sufficient as well. ED pinning can get irritating for beginners and I much prefer long esters like Enan or Cyp in cases like that with newbs. With Enan or Cyp, 2 pins a week is sufficient. It is convenient especially if you are not privy to injecting and are still limited to only a few sites.
I'm pretty comfortable with using syringes. Can you explain what you mean when you say limited to a few sites. I've used gluteus and quads before, but it wouldn't bother me having to use delts bi's ect , unless there is severe pip. I didn't experience any pip with test E
Dominick77What I meant by "limited to a few sites" is if you are not privy to pinning other sites such as delts, quads, etc.
Reasoning behind opting for sust is the shorter esters take effect quicker, instead of the 5 weeks with cyp or e
basskiller89Your best option is to stay aware form gear all together brother
Sustanon is one of the MOST unstable compounds there is
You're in over your head, get some natty gains and come back in a few years
I'm gonna be 34 in a couple months. I don't burn body fat or make gains like I did in my earlier days. Most like going to be placed on trt. Everyone keeps acting like I'm 19 or 20.
We need more info from the op yes but saying what you're saying with out finding out what his experience is jumping the gun a bit. Let's tone it down and get some info before we tell him to kick rocks. He obviously has done some research.
basskiller89Fair enough, he just strikes me as very young
33 years old. I am new to gear only having a cycle of test e under my belt. Went for bloodwork 2 days ago waiting for results to come so that I have a starting point
basskiller89I'm not a fan of sust or prop. I prefer to pin ed or eod with test e or c. You are able to keep blood levels higher using the same amount of gear compared to sust or prop. For example: 75mgs ED or test e yields much higher (and steadier) blood levels than pinning 75mg ED or sust or prop. If you're trying to experiment with sust specifically I would say pinning ED keeps higher and steadier levels than EOD. However, for a 12 or even 16 week cycle this does not make too much difference either way
Yeah there are a few things that I'm questioning. But I'll wait for the op to respond to vet them out. Let's just not jump the gun. If he turns out to be not who his stats are I'll be right next to you telling him to get lost. Let's just wait a bit.
basskiller89Apologies, I got trigger happy with this one
I mean no harm, I'm here to help, there's no question about that
Dominick77How do you figure that thats his "best option"? The dude is plainly asking about the compound and dosages, and you without knowing anything about him, just basically tell him to fuck off. Im quite certain there was a time when you were a "newbie" also. According to his stats, the OP is 33, 190lbs. So its clear he isnt some 18yr old 145lber looking to be spoonfed. He respectfully asked a legitimate question and you have nothing to offer besides "stay away from gear, you're in over your head, get some natty gains and come back in a few years"? Why even bother responding? Do you get kicks out of putting other members down? I am aware that there has been some comical noobs in here latelt inquiring about ridiculous first cycles and wanting their first run to consist of 5 different compounds, but this doesnt seem to be the case with the OP and his inquiry. Dum it down with the put downs bro. If you've nothing positive or informative to contribute when a newbie inquires about a compound and dosages, then dont say anything at all, simply move on. We are not "experts" and know it all like you. You state he is "in over his head".....How so? For inquiring about Sustanon 250 and dosages? Chill out and be real man.
Thanks brother. I already have the stuff in hand and mind made up about running it. I am waiting for bloodwork results to come back to have a starting point and know where everything is. I just wanted some input from more experienced users so that I can get best results out of the compound. I didn't need to be jumped on and accused of not being who I said I am
basskiller89My instincts tell me he is not 33 and that he is very young
Every cycle I ever proposed was put down by guys lol don't get so butt hurt brother
If OP can't look past someone telling him he's in over his head he has no place in this game
Would you like picture ID. I have no reason to lie to people I don't know and lieing would defeat the purpose of asking for advice. If I wasn't going to be forthright I would've just ran the cycle without asking for advice
basskiller89Picture ID, SSN, photo copies of 3 legit credit cards, a piece of mail with home address, email address, iCloud account and password, 2 bank account routing #'s, and a food log for the last 3 days including potassium
We all need to calm down a bit. And get more info from the op. He has done some research so that is good. Let's let him come back with some info and we shall all go from there.
Dominick77I am calm brother. It is just frustrating to see this when a newbie asks a legitimate question and is basically turned away without any thoughts whatsoever. Imagine being that newbie and take his feelings into consideration. It is already intimidating enough to inquire about anything, after all we are all men and as a man it is hard to admit when we dont know about a certain subject, but to be disrespected and basically told to fuck off when simply inquiring about a compound that he or she isnt privy to, is just unnecessary and shouldnt be tolerated. I understand we have had quite a few newbs in here asking about first cycle and running multiple compounds, but this doesnt seem to be the case with this particular OP. We should be better than that and genuinely try and help each other out, because after all, we all started not knowing a thing about AAS, but learned through proper guidance and assistance. I am not here to start trouble or cause issues by any means, I have my own problems and have got enough on my plate, however when a new member asks a legitimate question, even though some of us are more knowledgeable, we should bond together and try to help such members with their inquiries. Isnt that what Eroids was built upon? Learning and sharing knowledge so that newbs arent doomed to learn the hard way like some of us unfortunately had to?
Thank you