sust cycle coming to an end
so to start
age:27 (gotta update profile)
height: 5'8
weight 213 (as of this morning) ill get up to about 218 by the end of the day
bf:18 on the dot (leanest ove ever been lol)
so ive been running a sustanon 250 cycle for 8 weeks now im running it for another 4 weeks. i am runnin it at 750 mg a week eod pins standard procedure for sust. im using adex and .25 every 3rd day i know that sounds liw but it is keeping my estro in line ao no reason to up it or lower it. so far all things are going very well i started the cycle at 197 pounds so ive put on a substantial anount of weight this is actually the most i have gained off a cycke since my first go around. but let me get to my question. normally what i do is instead of running an oral the first 4 weeks of i cycle i do it the last 4 weeks of a cycle. i decided to go with something mild just to give these last 4 weeks that extra boost to maximize gains. i wemt with tbol and was going to run it at 30 mg total a day 3 doses throughout the day to ensure stable levels of the hormone as my research shows it has a short half life.
i staryed this dosage today (i always start my weeks on sunday) and i noticed that my heart felt sort of fluttery not rapid just a weird skipping feeling. so i immediately drove to the nearest higi station to check my blood pressure its was in perfect range 121/73. my question is does this sounds normal to some of you guys? ive ran anadrol anavar and dbol in the past and never had something like this happen! tbol is actually a new compound to me is it maybe since my body has never had it before and its adjusting? should i continue this or drop it and save it for my next go? my mid cycle bloodwork came back perfect testosterone was at 6370 tt and estro was sitting at 32 which is a little high but i like to keep it in that range cause in that range is when my body feels the best during a cycle...
thanks in advance bros im sure someone has a answer for me in this subject.
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so this cycle went very very good guys. i ended up at 220 begining of the day towards the middle to end i hit about 224 from food and water intake and i feel like a motherfucking monster pics and all that are coming very soon. i upload alot i dont wanna get chewed up by a mod. this is my last week im almost sure the weight gains are done but damn what a hell of a ride. the tbol really made a huge difference and i think i have found a new love
cant wait to run pct and see where i end up. i will keep everyone updated just as i have on the post thanks for all advice
RustyhookerThat sounds awesome!!
update:
the tbol at 30 mg a day is working really fucking well for me guys!! i dont kniw where people are getting dosages of 60+ but my strength has increased more the pumps is gives me is amazing and last for a long time. so far in up another 4.5 pounds and i overall look alot better i know diet determines all that but im feeling and looking really good with 30mg a day. i dont know if its overdosed or what but im loving it. it makes me happy that i can run lower doses and get good results from things make me feel safer in the end. thanks for all the advice pct is only a couple weeks away im hoping i hold at least 70 percent of this weight. ill be kicking everything into high gear as soon as the cycle ends training is going increase diet sleeping everything to ensure i maintain. ill keep all you bros posted
Rustyhooker60 plus is when folks buy that fyre, gtg, etc.... underdosed b.s. I used to run vet dbol from my...Vet back in the day. 15mg was more than enough. Winny at 30mg was super strong.
Wish folks could try real pharma at least once....
Like the var... it came in 2mg tabs in a huge tub. Looked like a girly pill so that earned its name. It was damn stron at lower doses.
I use to get cetoban,2mg whinny plus b12 in one tiny pill.It was great and worked at pretty low doses compared to ugl.
i got a question for you rust. is it possible to put the needle through the muscle and behind it and have the gear leak behind the muscle down your arm? i did a delt injection and i swear i can feel the pip in my elbow......
see that waa the same for me the dbol i got i used it at 30 mg and i had to back it down to 20. low doses are the way to go as long as its good stuff if you gotta use 100 mg a day of something then its trash.
RustyhookerLast week this dude posted how much strenght he gained. Listed em even. Got bloods week 8 and total test was only 1900 on 1g a week. Shows how much the placebo and low dose can get ya.
After bloods posted, he was suddenly more pissed off about where he coulda been if it had been properly dosed. Lmao!!
man on man lol
I have it where it feels like my heart actually adds a beat once and a while. Got an echo and a halt and everything panned out. No heart defect, enlargement, nothing. Cardiologist said it's very normal for athletes to experience this. Mines more often though. You sound like it's happened only once before. Doubt anything is wrong with you whatsoever. Your estro levels are still low, you've got it in check compared to how high your test is. Sust is a great compound, I just see no need for it at the end of cycle since the prop and phenyl are obscure and the deconate is what's keeping levels sufficent
its kind of what i do to be honest unless im using provi which ill use throughout the cycle from start to finish i do tht for a few reasons i wont get into but. for me the last 4 weeks is the most efficient time to use an oral like i said this is just my opinion. i have done it both ways at the start yes it does work as an excellent kickstart but for me around week 7 things level off which is expected at some point so ill take the oral at the end to kick things back into gear so ill steadily make gains from start to finish. ive gone as far as using prop and cyp for yhe first 4 weeks to kick start then added an oral at the end to finish. this is all opinion tho bro ive pretty much got my body down to an exact science and i stick with what i know so theres no error. cheers mate
update: it hasnt done that since maybe i had to mych caffeine or something that day or was in my head to much. so far i like the pump im getting from this tbol im going to roll with 30 mg i kind feel like this working for me i know its low dosed but i feel like its gunna go good.
Never really heard of that happening with Tbol, especially with a low dose of it. If it continues then I would drop it but it just could have been the stress of the day. I don't know if 30mg is going do much for you though.
gave me a crazy ass pump after chest shit was painful. but we will see so far today im not having this problem but the day is young if it happens today in going to drop it and finish with jus the test
Rustyhooker32 is not high. Noone researches.... 20 to 50 is normal. Below 20 joints dry out.
Orals tail end....i never use em front end. Most orals free up bound testosterone via sbh route. Tail end is when sbh is very high.
Flutters... imagination? Stress? Caffeine? Pwo super crack drinks?
could be any of the above no crack tho hahaha i drink coffee in the am and a preworkout on days i feel shitty and dont wanns lift. stress is possible my fiance and i are currently plannimg our wedding while the planning is going good the dollar signs keep rising. and yes i got the tail end of the cycle on orals advice from you actually back in 2015. and for some reaosn i thought anything over 39 was high for estro??? i must have read bad info on that
RustyhookerWedding stress....i do know that one. Congrats and best wishes to y'all.
Tread the guru always posted 20-50. Some go a lil higher when bulking. 39 is good!
see this changes alot of things for me since i have always thought that 39 was the highest and i always kept it at like 30 to 35 knowing i can go a littke higher subtracts a little worrying on my end about estro sides
RustyhookerYou're doing great. You use your brain and test it scientifically.
thanks bro i learned alot from you guys since 2015 thats for damn sure lol
Estro is high, ranges dont necessarily mean shit
Sust should be shot ed
If I were you, I'd switch your inj protocol, drop the oral and would be checking pulse rather than BP per se
If you get this after taking the oral, each time, check pulse at that time and look for skipped beats
Orals, in my opinion, arent worth it. Your Estro is high, so an oral wont help that. Its also a weak oral.
If you dropped the oral and had no more issues, Id chalk it up to experience, but if its still there, or you are actually experiencing heart issues, a doctor's trip is essential
No1 here is really going to be able to diagnose that for you properly
and that estro is supposed to say 32 i dont know why i typed 72. ill fix that now
ive had my heart checked recently i was having an anxiety attack and thougjt it was a heart attack lol dont laugh haha and they ran a gew test the ekg and they did a contrast imaging of my heart and i was monitored 24 hours with a portable device i wore all came back clean.
what is your thought process behind injecting sust every day opposed to eod?
Same thing happened to me not long ago....kept me in the hospital over nite...checked for traponins every 4 hrs, blood thinners bloodwork every 4 hrs etc ......follow up with cardiologist, heart sonagram, treadmill test, ....said I'm in prefect health,....turns out was a panic attack, my regular dr offered a script for anti depressants but I'll pass for now.....I just kick the dog and hate fuck the wife a few times a week and I'm fine...jk about the dog n wife.......
Was a scary episode for sure tho...
yeah i definitely thought i was about to kick the bucket on that day but everything came back normal im relatively healthy aside from my shitty lungs and my shoulder. in the hospitsl they gave me some ativan through the iv and the "heart attack" (lmfao) magically stopped lol ...
Glad it wasn't anything serious,,...
backonroidsJust out of curiosity are you on any pre work outs / stimulants ?
stimulants yes i drink coffee upon waking up and depending on the day ill scoop a preworkout before the gym if im feeling shitty that day but its not daily. i didnt even tske into account that aspect...
Are you thinking adrenaline dump BOR?
backonroidsYeah, thoughts ?
Definitely a possibility man, didnt think of that
i checked cycle logs , and didnt see it whats your pct look like ?
tbol @30mg im guessing and i said GUESSING because anythi g with the heart is serious .. but if i were to run tbol my dose would be much higher. much ...like back on roids said , if its continuing i would drop ..the tbol. , and go to the dr.
i wemt with the low dose cause last yime i tried that higher dose things with orals it was way to much it was actuslly the anavar i ran it was recommended to use 50 so i did and it was over the top i had to back it down so either ot was really good ass anavar or it was something else
backonroidsTbol is weaker than most Orals I feel 50mgs is needed however I would drop it for now if you have concerns . It's usually used as like a bridge between the last pin (take a few weeks before ) and start of pct . It's a good compound and doesn't give rapid gains it's slow and steady . I preffer when using test e or c
I think adjusting your diet would have more benefits .