posted Sat, 04/26/2014 - 21:28
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Summer strength and speed
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So to first start off I am 26 year old athlete, specifically a competitive sprint swimmer. Part of being sprinter is you need to have a ton of strength and a hell of a lot of fast twitch. Gaining a little mass is ok. So I'm trying to plan out my cycle. I can't take any substance that last longer than a month section wise because of my job.
Last summer I took 50mg ofVar ED for 8 weeks and 50mg Prop ED (tons of pinning). I was thinking off taking tbol andvar 50mg split am and pm for 8 weeks, Ido feel like there should be Se test in there too. What do y'all think?
Oh PS I took MK2866 ED over winter and GW1586. Got ok results. Think I might have sit down.
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I have heard of people stacking var with tbol and the results were not as good as just taking the full dose of one or the other. I would just run either of them around 80-100mgs a day with prop again. Im not the most knowledgeable on training and drugs for athletic performance but I do know that halotestin is well known for strength and also known not to add much if any weight. Its pretty toxic stuff so I would do a lot of research first. Var is probably your best bet tho when it comes to gains vs sides. Var should produce some pretty good strength gains with minimal mass gains depending on your diet. I think Tbol will add a little more muscle with a little less strength.
Duel oral advice is NOT what we want to hear around here........ nor a single oral without a test base, hundreds of kids could read this and potentially jump on the twin oral run for ease or finance purposes..... unsafe and downright WRONG in the long term.
Sorry boss, I wasn't promoting it, just saying I've heard of people doing it and the results were not as good as taking he safer route and running only one. Ill make sure I shoot down anyone thinking about doing running two in the future. I definitely wasn't saying run it without test.
Again I'm sorry, it wont happen again.
Good man +3
Thanks bro!
Thanks for the input! I've done prop before and had to pin everyday, which I thought was too much. You have something in mind with a detection time of less than 5 weeks that doesn't require pinning ED?
Give this a read. It will tell you what you need to know.
(http://www.anabolics.com/pages/Detection-Times-of-Steroids)
Good read. Hard to know which source is credible though. These detection times are all the same as what I read with the exception of Tbol. The time on this site is considerably longer then the ones I read.
@poolshredder711, If one site says tbol is 1 week and one says its 6 weeks, go with the 6 weeks. Better to overestimate then underestimate.
True I checked a couple and they were all relatively the same, this one broke it down a little better then most
Honestly bro I don't. Any injectable that is going to clear your system within a month needs to be pinned frequently. But you don't need to be pinning ED. Only reason I would do that is if I was running a high dosage which you're not. I would run your prop between 100-150mgs EOD with one oral of your choice. Now There is the option of Testosterone phenyl propionate. Its a slightly longer ester than prop, and some people say you can get away with injecting every 3rd day. But others say you still need to shoot it EOD. I believe the half life is around 4.5 days so on paper you could possibly do it E3D. If you get sides from blood levels not being stable then increase the injection frequency. That form of test is not very common but I have seen it on a few websites.
and what orals would you suggest for clearing the body in 1 month, safely?
All the half lives a pretty similar give or take a few hours. Atleast the ones im amiliar with oxys, dbol halo var tbol winstrol, with dbol being the shortest around 4-6 hours and oxys and var the longest at 8-9 hours. Like we talked about earlier var or tbol would be your safest bet sides vs gains wise and based of the half lives, after approximately 16 days there will be no trace of them in his system. The prop is what I'm more worried about as that half life is much longer then the orals. But he knows what kind of testing they so and I don't. So most likely test for a ratio, or actual test levels as opposed to synthetic test so 4-5 weeks after prop his levels will no be extremely high like when he's on cycle.
But either way your taking a risk bro. I'm just telling you in theory which should clear your system the fastest.
So what do half lives have to do with detection times? Maybe you should do some research before you advise someone to ruin their career. Maybe a steroid detection times google search will give you some clarity.
What do half lifes have to do with it? It's the amount of time it takes for the drug to be broken down in half over and over again until the amount in the system is undetectable. My quick google search backed up my advice. Tbol 6-8 days. Anavar as short as 6 days and a maximum of 21 days. Obviously different for everyone. So my math was pretty close at 16 days.
I don't see why your arguing with me so much. The dude is gonna run his cycle. He wants us to tell him his best options regarding clearance times which is what I did. I gave my opinion, you gave yours, and now he gets to combine these with his research and make a decision.
And I wouldn't consider this advising someone to ruin there career. I'm tellin him his best options if he wants to use steroids. If he came in here asking for training advice and I told him to use steroids i would understand but he made the decision to use gear and I'm giving my advice on what to use.
im busting your balls because you are wrong and your giving poor advice. you can count half lives to determine when the steroid has left your body but it has nothing to do with testing. They test for the metabolites left behind from the steroid. I believe I read it takes 8 half lives for the steroid to clear the body. take deca, 15 day half life, x8=120, so thats four months but detection time is 16 to 18 months. And I can guarantee you no way in hell t-bol is 6-8 days.
http://www.anabolics.com/pages/Detection-Times-of-Steroids#.U15vHlVdXOk
http://www.steroid.com/steroid_detection_times.php#
http://www.gbnstore.com/articles-steroids-detection-times-and-half-lifes...
Your right I can't and in noway was I giving exact figures, just rough guide to the min and maxs of each. You can see I told him to make his decision based off he longest time that the source gives. Tbol said 6 weeks max so I told him to base his decision off of that detection time, not the 6-8 days, but according to that source people have tested clean 6-8 days after. Thats all I'm saying. I didnt say this is exactly how fast they will clear, I just told him what the research states. I understand you that you are trying to say that there is no guarantee and I agree with you. I just told him the steroids that clear the system the fastest, that will give him the results he is after. At the end of the day Its his decision, not ours. He came here asking which steroids should I run If I need them to be out of my system quickly and are geared towards strength and not mass gain. And to the best of my knowledge prop and anavar will be the fasted to clear his system, and are best suited for his goals. If not please tell me. Now with this information he can decide if they will be out of his system fast enough to pass a drug test,
Before i advise anything I need to know what you mean by "longer then a month section wise"?
Does this mean cycle cant exceed a month? and why is that? testing? moving? schedule?
How much weight can you gain before its too much?
Sorry I miss wrote that roid noid. I can't have a detection time be longer than a 4 or 5 weeks. The cycle can be 8 weeks or so. Just so long as it is out of my system in 4 or 5 weeks because of testing purposes.
I would say more than 6 pounds is too much.
do you KNOW when your testing is gonna be? I just re-read this so your saying you got a total of 13 weeks before it has to be clear of the system?
is getting caught worth it? because I can assure you they have very good testing abilities and its done cheap. very few steroids will leave your system in that time frame, its not determined by half ester.
I can not advise you of any safe cycles for what you are trying to do. Nor would I advise you to risk running a steroid that could have a little bit of something else in the bottle. I hope you abandon your account and move on. Goodluck
I totally agree with you on that one. It's a gamble with underground labs. He might think he's getting prop and accidentally end up ewith test e or c.
Two orals at the same time? Never. Do you want liver damage by 30.
Ok thanks Logan. Maybe an oral and adex? If you had to with an oral for gaining speed/fast twitch what would you go with.
That's a hard one. Anavar can lead to massive pumps and cramps which you don't want. I think winstrol but it can dry joints out.
I'd go for var instead of tbol (even though I like it), AND test prop or some labs do have test pp, wich means eod pinning.
Why oxandrolone for you? Because there is some influence on your atp storage ability (the more atp in ur muscles, the better u can perform in high intensity performance such as swimming sprints). I did see sprint athletes that definitely had better performance gains on var + test ...
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SORRY JUST SPOTTED THE DOPING TEST ISSUE! WHOLE DIFF STORY. Tests are very sensible nowadays and it's very unlikely to get around it, if u are not under med support. Smart diet, creatine and a good training AND recovery regime will have to do it!