Summer Cut
Hey guys, i was wondering if you could give me your opinions on my final cutting cycle going into the summer. I will be running at a 500kcal deficit at 40/40/20 macros, and adding cardio at 4/5 times per week along with my lifting routine. Nothing extreme, the cut is meant to last for around 14 weeks and i will be using the following doses:
250mg Test e per week
300mg Tren e per week
600mg Mast e per week
50mg Proviron ED for the full cycle
50mg Winstrol ED first 4 weeks (while the long esters kick in)
50mg Winstrol ED final 4 weeks (to bridge into end of cycle and summer cruise)
40 to 100mcg Clenbuterol pyramid, 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
I don't want to increase any of the doses any further, especially the tren as i can really start feeling the sides after the 400mg mark, obviously the effect would be stronger but not absolutely necessary, it's already plenty and should be a fairly dry cut.
Any opinions would be greatly appreciated, thank you very much everyone! =] <3
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So your 26 and cruising? fuck that, spend your money on an endo and go get your test back. no fucking way in hell would I continue cycling at that age without natural production. Sucks to see this stuff.
And no one responds to your post and continues to give advice. Also read his Tren dreams post and him having wet dreams on tren, no fkn way he is 26, more like 18 or 19. AND cruising. Natural selection.
I needed a good laugh...thanks
I am about to run a very similar cycle, but I'm using the shorter esters due to less water retention. Also, I am going to be running a Ketogenic diet as I have used it w/o juice and can really shed some BF so I'm interested to see the kind of results I get with the sauce. I'll let you know how mine goes
Yeah please do let us know how it goes! I heard keto + tren can be a bit difficult though. Interesting stuff.
I've heard the same thing and I don't get it. Tren increases nutrient absorption and so does keto, so one would think putting the 2 together would produce and even better effect. But I intend to find out lol FR sent
1st Cycle was 500mg Test E for 12 weeks
2nd Cycle was 600mg Test E for 10 weeks with 4 weeks Dbol kickstart
3rd Cycle was 500mg Test E + 600mg Boldenone for 14 weeks with 4 weeks Winstrol kickstart
4th Cycle was 500mg Test/Tren/Mast E for 10 weeks (dropped tren down to 400 and then 300 during the cycle)
This will be my 5th Cycle and will be my 2nd fully cut focused routine, i do understand that i increased my cycle compound amount and doses too quickly; and i also started using these compounds shortly after i turned 24 years old, i know this is a taboo as it is recommended to start after 25, and i wholeheartedly wish i knew about websites such as these before i started, instead of trusting the broscientists at my (ex) local gym.
I was aiming to cut down slowly from 86/88kg to between 76/78kg, i am reasonably happy with the size and just wish to cut down as i want more a physique/lean oriented look (at my height, i think 200lb+ might be overkill for my goals, i'm only short!).
Any advice will be greatly appreciated and taken into consideration! =] <3
I understand and we are glad you are here. I am sure many people people have made ill advised decisions regarding steroid use. You have spent a lot of money and time on steroids and gym. Unfortunately, steroids dont do it all, and other important factors like calories, macros, foods, gym, rest, no stress, bloods, and time paint the bigger picture. You will get it worked out....stay focused and welcome to Eroids.
Thanks for understanding, i definitely wish i had before starting everything a couple of years back... I know i made a mistake in those days. The cut is mainly aimed at trying to do a full reset whilst keeping strength and the muscle which i have put on so far, and then aim for lean bulks throughout my B+C's. The size which i have put on could be considered avarage/mediocre for what i took, but i have been more than happy with the strength gains and power/weight ratio which i have acheived, if anything =]
Cheers pal!! As always i will contunue to educate myself as much as i possibly can. I have to say that i really do enjoy the lifestyle, despite of my previous mistakes, it is just lucky that i had already managed to have a child before it all began! Which was the main concern between me and the Mrs. She keeps us plenty busy, the little devil, haha =] <3
Cool bro...pm me for anything else...gotta hit the gym...its 0900 hrs.
No liver support, either? I would drop the clen, the winnie, and the tren. Stick with a Test/Provi run, and revamp diet and alternate lifting routines. Its not all drugs...i guess you are TRT because there is no PCT posted...
Plus, you need mass to cut...you are barely 190 lbs. Running compounds like you have posted will be a waste of time and money. Keep it simple bro...
Have liv52 on hand for every time i run orals.
And sure, i would consider dropping those definitely as it's only a slow cut i'm after. What about the masteron in your opinion, scrap that too or? Really appreciate your input!
Oh and have been on TRT since after the 4th cycle, the yoyoing from PCT and cycling seemed too much for me, and i already have a child, spoke to my other half clearly before doing so and she agreed as long as i had a full power PCT and plenty of proviron on hand, get bloodwork done, along with wilingness to go to Dr. with her to review options in case we ever wanted a 2nd =]
Well...no...i just see this post from a different view point. If your dropping BF% and doing it slow, i can see the long ester use of Test. E and Mast E along with provi. But provi should be dosed at 25mg/d, 50mg is a big dose with.mast and test dose. I would hold the winnie, tren and clen, though...
The prov is dosed at 25mg per tablet, i would take it at 25mg per day if i kept the mast in.
I'll store the winnie, tren and clen for the future!
1) Post cycle history.
2) What is your BF% goal....6-8%?
3) Could you provide a pic, please?
Long esters for a cut? I know it can work, along with diet and cardio, but you have too many steroids in your plan! Cutting is usually done with short esters. Can you cut without AAS? You could try that first.
1) No DA or AI mentioned. I know you have provi in your cycle, but you need an AI on hand too.
2) Dont forget pre, mid and post cycle bloodwork....if u choose to use...
If i was in your situation, i would readjust the calorie and macros to yield:
-280/175/150 (p/c/f)
-3500 cal/d
Sorry i forgot to post that:
I would say around 8% would be plenty. Not looking to get sub 6% competition range. But i do have a good ~5% to drop.
AI is 12.5mg aromasin E3D. Wifey is on your side on the bloodwork side of things, will definitely be getting these done pre and post, and i will take your advice and get it done mid too!
I will slowly work around to the macros you suggested and play around with them.
Asin has 24hr half-life. E3D will have hormones yo-yo ing a bit. I would use adex if you are not going to dose ed or at min eod.
Haven't experienced any discomoforts or such from anecdotal experience at 12.5mg e3d at such low dose test. But i can see where you are coming from from a scientific perspective due to the half life. I will try splitting the tabs and do 6.25 EOD and see how i get on! It would be extremely difficult to split them 4 way for 3.125ED since the tablets are very small >.<
Point taken. Thanks bro!
Cool..you sound receptive and willing to talk and learn...i know we are all different and only you know what works best for you...thanks for being cordial...fr sent