+ 1 Stacking cycle advice (injectables + orals)
Hi all,
Looking for some advice for the following cycle. Trying to gather as much information and advice as possible so feel free to say what you think. I'm fairly new to this forum but looking for some advice.
Stats
Age 28
Weight 86kg
Height 182 cm
Body fat 13.7%
Previous cycles
1 Diana oral cycle with test inject
Next proposed cycle is
12 week cycle goal of lean muscle gain
Testosterone Enanthate 1.5ml twice a week 1-10
Trenbolone 1ml twice a week 1-10
Deca 1ml twice a week Week 1-10
Orals
Dbol 30-50mg a day Week 1-6
Anavar 50mg a day week 4-12
Pct
Arimidex from week 1
Clomid from week 6 -12
Tamoxifen week 6-12
I know mixing both deca and tren is very hard and shuts down the body hard. Was thinking about dropping the tren but it counters the watery effects of deca.
ideas. ??
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How about this cycle?
Test E 1.5ml 2xweek , 10 weeks
Deca 1ml 2xweek 10 weeks
D-bol 40 mgs daily, 1-4 weeks
Anavar week 6-10
Armidex .25mg each day
PCT
Comid 100 mgs daily week 9, 50mgs week 10 and 11
Tamoximed (Novadex) 40 mgs daily week 9, 30 mgs daily week 10, 20 mgs daily week 11
Or should I wait till last shot to start PCT or perhaps start PCT at beginning week 10 instead of week 9 ?
AnonCycle is still fucked bro, so is your pct. Use the dbol OR the anavar, not both. Pct should start about 3 weeks after your last test e shot. Yeah, I said 3 weeks. If you actually calculate the clearance time for the test it makes sense to wait 3 weeks if you are running 750mg/week.
If I was running the anavar I would run it last 3 weeks of the cycle and another 3 weeks after last shot, so 6 weeks total. Then you can start pct the day after you finish the anavar. Pct should be 100/100/50/50 and nolva 40/40/20/20. Thats 4 weeks total for pct.
Good advice right here keep it simple. Second cycle you can make amazing gains with basic cycles. I would even add that this being your second cycle and taking into account your weight that running the test at 500mg/wk would be just as good, and save you some cash! Just run Test and an oral of your choosing. No reason to have a 19nor so early.
Thanks for the comment mate appreciate the help about not running both and sticking with one or the other
Could you list what mgs per week you are going to run of the Test E? Saying 1.5ml makes it kind of hard to know. For example I personally have Test 250mg/ml and 300mg/ml in my stash. It can even go as high as 500mg/ml. So just telling everyone ml just lets them know how much oil you are pinning. When the only thing that matters is the amount of hormone you are pinning which is by weight as in MG.
Just stick with the test and var if you want. 19nor are very hard on the body bro, theyre similar to progesterone so dont think about combining them. 190lbs at 13% bodyfat tells me your eating and lifiting decently, think of aas cycles as a marathon not a sprint. Pace yourself when you add on compounds and only do so when you did your research and when you know youve hit your peak. Im glad your not some 20yr shrimp or a fat shit asking about steroids like the majority who start forums like this.
Thanks for the advice mate.
Pwins417Running deca and tren is stupid. Cut the dbol down to 1-4 weeks. If you wanna run test and Deca add in eq. Not tren. You DONT need tren with deca. Deca don't make you hold water either. It's not estrogenic. It just gives your muscle a more full thick look.
Can't really add what hasn't been already said. For a second cycle I'd advise a simple test + another inject. Personally I'd recommend EQ. I'm running test EQ right now for my third cycle and loving it. No need to dive into the 19-Nors so soon.
As far as orals, never really saw the point of using orals like dbol unless you're really experienced and trying to create synergy with different classes of drugs. I love my anavar and that's really the only oral I personally would like to use at the end of my cycle. But that's all personal preference. But based on your experience I wouldn't dabble in any of those until you get experience with a few more injectable compounds.
Thanks mate would you suggest using test and anavar so for just this cycle.
yes, thats what id do. thats actually exactly what i did for my second cycle. test e and anavar 6 weeks at the end. loved it, got strong as an ox on the ox hehe
Not to mention that most orals in the market now are utter crap.....
agreed. orals are a gamble these days
Second cycle. Run Sust 250 Every 3rd Day for 12 weeks. If your diet is on point and your training is high you will make far better gains. I wouldn't even add an oral. This cycle is reckless and dangerous. You will screw up your natural production for life with cycles like this.
Just trying to gather information mate I haven't started anything yet so the more advice you can give me Id appreciate it. The more I read about deca and tren the more I'm realising im way out of my depth when it comes to these two. I'm thinking staying with the test and orals would be enough
Plenty more to come for you ;) You'd be amazed with some of the idiotic stuff I've seen over the years.
A big NO. As Crazy said below, it's almost coming across as if you're taking the piss by posting this.
Let me put this in recreational drug terms. Today you smoked a joint. Tomorrow you're injecting heroin. That's the sort of jump you're making here.
A guy if your size and experience level can make great gains from simple test cycles. If you can't, your traibubg and or diet aren't up to scratch. There's no need to put yourself under this sort of strain.
Thanks mate appreciate the anagoly. That helps. Would you suggest dropping the the deca and tren and stay with the others
Personally I'd just run test in your shoes, I did that for my first four or five cycles in my late Twenties. You're a young guy, eat like a horse and train like an animal and you'll grow. There's nothing more complex about it. Don't fall into the trap of more gear equals more muscle.
Bro this is so bad it looks like you are just trolling. If this is truly your second cycle then you need to stop and do some major research. Go take a look in beginner groups.
Here this makes it easier
https://www.eroids.com/og/beginners-cycles
Thanks mate just seeking some advice. Thanks.
For a cut or bulk?
For bulk mate
AnonI think a second cycle is way too early to run deca or tren, let alone both. Test and anavar with a solid diet should be all you need for your goal.
Would you think running jest deca and test is a good idea. Diet and training are very good at the moment