Some advise for my 1st cicle
I open a presentation whith some of these data, but i open here searching some advise of experts ( in this forum there is a lot and so much informated)
My stats:
Age: 28
Height: 5' 10"
Weight: 180
BF: 13-15% ( this can be down before begin, no hurry)
About me:
I start training 9 years ago, but sadly whitout gains from 2 years ago. My genetics is not good, i know, before start gym my weigh were about 125 lb.
My target:
I want to weight about 200 lb and keept it whith about 10% bf.
What i want from roids:
Most simple stacks optimize gains/sides. If possible, not use orals and use roids the least hepatotoxic possible( I know the sides, the risk, but i assume it). For me, the time is not a problem.
What i have to this time:
I have this:
1 vial testo cyp 250
1 vial Deca 300
30 tablets of 1mg of anastrozole
5000UI Hcg
30 tablets of nolvadex 20 mg.
I thing to use this stack:
Testo cyp: 250 per week, 1-9 weeks
Deca: 300 per week, 1-9 week
Anastrozol .25 EOD ( if needed .5)2-11 week
Pre-post
Hcg 1000UI E3D 10-11 week
Post
Nolvadex 40/20/20 ED 12-16 weeks
First question: I have enought roids to another week, but iam doubt if worth use it or not. Worth do it?
Second question: I think i will need about 2-3 stacks( the next proably will be in 6-7 months) to fill my objetive of 200lb. Probably i will need roids to keept it. What will i need?
Thanks a lot for all information previus in forum, and thanks for advance 
Edit: About diet and work in gym:
I go gym 4-5 times a weeks ( 4 times one week, 5 times the next) About my diet, to mantain my weight i eat 3100 kcal. In bulk about 3400, in cutting about 2750. When iam bulking i take Kg, but the most fat, what i lost in cutting.
I eat about 2.5gr. of protein for kg ( i know, u use imperial sistem, but in lb i dont know how to said it), about 15-20% of energy come from fat and the rest come from carbohydrates. this % varies in bulking/cutting phases of course.
I eat 5-6 times at day. Nothing of sugars, low of saturated fat, nothing alcohol.
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my friend ,
quite honestly. , and noone believes this but aas are not going to help you. .. #1.
next i seen 1st cycle then a list of what compounds , and when i seen deca i stopped reading. ,, mother fucking deca knocked on my door and handed my ass to me. ... i also did not have the pleasure of these wonderful sites. .... i crawled into these sites. , with no nuts , no sex drive , and even if i did have a sex drive my shit didnt work. .... you got the world at your finger tips. and yet you post this ...a d you wonder why your - points .... and thats because your not researching your not reading the forums. your not reading why other people are - points.
i know this because if you did any searching you would know better than to , be so off the wall with this .....
hopefully you take this advise. and go study and eat and train ., and its not motablism. the body is a fine tuned machine and if you know how to eat and manipulate this ... youll gain ....but everyone thinks faster quicker aas.
i promise you if you manipulate your diet you will gain 3x quicker. than any aas used wrong.
good luck im out.
If a eat 300kcal more is for no take so much fat. I can be in 200 lb, o 300lb if i want, the problem is the bf, and the muscle mass. 5 years ago i taking in bulk about 500-600 kcal of superavit, but my experience in this 2 year said, if a eat 500kcal the only thing what i will gain is a fat, and in the final of bulking a more of 15% bf.
As i said, the time is not for me a problem, but iam whithout gains since 2 years ago. I want to do things well, for that i pay for advise in proffesionals, the problem is the proffesionals dont fix it, the thing what he said time ago, is what i said today, i take my genetic limit.I cant accept it, try other time and be frustrated again, or take some extra help.
Believe me when i said that
YOU HAVE PROFESSIONALS HERE WILLING TO HELP YOU , TO NAME ONE MARKWA , ...but you need to stop right now. , humble your self you have been eating wrong. ...trust me on this. ... i am not a diet specialist or even capable of giving you diet advise. ... but if you put this cycle ( its foolish ). i appolagize i keep it real. , and you honestly give a brother a few months to work with you. and you truly follow the protacol. I PROMISE YOU WILL SEE MORE GAINS NATTY THAN ANY AAS CAN DO
also. i know this a new generation. so im not saying stay natty. get to where you need to be. and make that 1st test only cycle. a true winner.
you want to shine my advise is golden. ., you want to waste 3 months and 800. continue on my friend you have my best wishes
I don't know what professionals you have been listening to but most dieticians have no clue about the rigors of bodybuilding and what it takes to build quality muscle. You have two options here. Pick one and roll with it. You are going to gain some fat, how can you not when in a calorie surplus. The key is to minimize the fat and maximize the muscle gain. Both of these option will do that. This advice is free by the way.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/the-key-to-quality-mas...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/i-know-my-tdee%E2%80%A...
Should have charged him 49.95 for that....
For said what i know 8 years ago?
The only difference is i use the Harris-Benedict, but results are similar. As i said i can take weight, but that weight come whith a lot of fat.
One thing what it not said in the post, and I can add, is what metabolism do when u are in the same theoric superavit-deficit of kcal for a lot of time, what it do, is a slow adaptation.
2 things more:
Basal metabolism is not the same for all, there are a lot of factors who can modify it, and not only the physiscal effort. Protein, CH and fat take a different effort to be digested, for example, the protein requires more effort than the fat who requires less. So that simplicity in the post is not enought accurate.
Talking again about basal metabolism, probably the theory of somatipes are out of phase,as i can read in this forum, This can be true when talking about the psychology, but when we go to the body tipes, we can see people who do same effort and same diet, but have differentent bodies, cause genetics IS RELEVANT and metabolism are similar for taking and loose weight probably ( that theoric calculator are not 100% accuerate but an experience, i can said is about 80%)
When whe talk about hormonal structure we can see more differences, and thats are Scientifically more than proven. So, if is proved there are differences in hormonal structures. How can said when one person is in his limit.
Whe can situated the theoric limit in 25 IMC whitout fat( for example, whith 10% fat whith a great genetics, the limit of natural is 90 kg for a 1.80m person. But for a normal person, the limit is about 23-24.
As i said. the metabolism calculator, is valid for taking or loose wheigh, but no for taking muscle indefinited. If where that easy Why use roids?
The only difference is i use the Harris-Benedict, but results are similar. As i said i can take weight, but that weight come whith a lot of fat.
Adding mass/muscle REQUIRES the addition of fat! The key here is to keep it in check, and not just eat 1000 cals above maintenance of garbage foods......did you even read the post on cycle bulking? It's clearly explained in there.....if you are adding mostly fat during a bulk, gear or no gear, it's because of the TYPE of foods you're eating....you won't get fat on chikn breasts, tuna, x leans meats and a proper ratio of complex carbs , healthy fats.....period!
On the flip side of that coin, ..if you're using steroids, eating at a maintenance or under calorie level, results are going to be minimal at best...assuming you are trying to add muscle mass......
If you're trying to cut bf%, steroids are not needed then, ( unless you are preping for the stage and sub 7-8%already), but for the vast majority of us, manipulation of macros and training will get you to that 10-12% range comfortably.....
To sum all this up, I'm having a hard time believing that you can't be in a calorie surplus without packing on mostly fat IF your food choices are ideal at the proper macro splits....
blah blah blah
go and learn a little about insulin sensitivity, muscle fuel etc.
plus tax
Mi dietist is too a bodybuilder, i think he know about it ( as i said, is a good proffesional). have his titulation, have his experience, and is not cheap( this is not relevant, but you know...). He was who said me i will not have what i want natty( AKA whitout roids). His recommendation: Conform with what you have.
Is not good new for me he said iam in limit, cause that meaning too, whith roids probably i will not keept permanently the gains.
I dont want use roids to take the " fast way", believe me, but i try all of another things. The " slow way" for me seem´s its ended. Remember 9 years in gym, iam not a noob.
But i will take my goals. I know the roids were never the advise, but iam a freedom man, as a freedom man i want to meet my dreams, and as a freedom man i can be wrong. But i will no free if iam afraid for every danger. I prefer to live 50 years free than 100 years being a slave to myself
Oh well, tried to help you. Good luck.
lol
I know the best advise about it is to no take roids
Thanks a lot for your time for helping me.
Greetings
Not sure why you are cutting when you are 180lbs and claiming to have reached your genetic potential. Eating 300 cals above your maintenance is not a bulk. That is why you are stuck at 180lbs. Like I said earlier your diet is what is holding you back and not genetics. Should be able to hit 200lbs with diet alone and then you would be ready to run a cycle.
Last time I try to bulking to 190 lb. I take that weight but the problem is i have at these moment more 17 bf. When i end cutting to recover the 10%, again 170 lb.
Believe me, that the third time i try to rebase the 170 lb. But every try is about 9 months, 6 of bulking 3 of cutting.
When i fail the first time, i decided to pay to a good nutricionist, that was about 1 year ago. First time whith it fail again. And in this time, is the third 6 months latter i raise my bf to 13-15%, so when i end again cutting again i will be in 170 lb , and that whith work and luck.
If the problem were that easy, i will not here :/
2 years whitout gains are not the best for motivation.
Go and learn how to eat.
Got to fix that diet before you start cycling. You are nowhere near your natty potential. To many people use crappy genetics for an excuse when the real problem is they are not feeding the body what it needs to grow, so feed it and you will grow. You will blow up on cycle due to increased glycogen loading but will lose it all after cycle since you aren't feeding your body the food it needs to grow. In fact you will probably be worse off than when you started, since I'm pretty confident you will have a hard time restoring your natty levels by running probably the worst compound in terms of shutting you down and essentially no PCT.
I edit the post. But i think mi limit is here cause when iam bulking i grow in lb, but when i finish and i go to cut to take the same bf ( 10%), again iam in 170 lb :( . That is what its happening since 2 years ago.
About 1 year ago i go to a dietist to take some advise, cause I though that problem were what u think, the diet but finally, i month ago he said probably iam in my limit. Iam not bad, but I want to be better.
I can desglose the diet, but i will need some time, cause my diet is monthly and it change every day whith +- same macros.
First things first. Can you briefly describe your diet and training regimen?
You put on a lot of size. Please tell me why you believe you have bad genetics.
I don't know what this means.
Hello, thanks for reply.
The first, i go gym 4-5 times a weeks ( 4 times one week, 5 times the next) About my diet, to mantain my weight i eat 3100 kcal. In bulk about 3400, in cutting about 2750.
My genetic is not the worst but can be better, before gym iam too skinny. When iam about 10%bf in this 2 years my wheigh is about 170 lb, its my 9º year at gym for that i think my genetic limit is about 170-175lb in that % bf. I know friends who weight 185-190 lb natty, is for that I said i believe i have a bad genetic.
About second thing, thats a joke, but i see in english have not the same meaning ;) I edited that.