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Hey y'all,
40 years old, 22 years training. Did a test only cycle, and a test and anavar cycle when I was younger. I'm on trt these days at 100/week but looking to do a yearly blast (relative to me, still pretty mild compared to many of y'all beasts).
Last year I added primo and increased my test and it was great because it balanced my estrogen, it tanked my hair.
This year I'd like to add something that may not be as harsh on my hair. Any recommendations?
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Test & Mast E … 200mg of each twice per week … gives you that pornstar body hard lean and ready to fuck the Mrs … at 40 you should stay on the light side of things … Mast will harden you up in all the right places with a good diet and test yes we all know what that does …. Toss in some cialis and BAM , good blood flow , low blood pressure and hard a rock 24/7
I get more compliments now when I run test and mast than any other compounds ever … but hey everyone is different
Up the test a bit, add some provi and deca. Provi will help as an Ai, keep water retention down and help free test. you could run deca about 300mg a week with the test and provi and get the benifits of the joint lubrication and some decent bulking as well. Im a big fan of deca I love how it makes me feel just dont like the water retention lol
What are your goals and stats? If I’m on TRT, I like to throw in 4-6 weeks of dbol. Does wonders imo.
5'8 200ish, 12%, bulking till February.
I'd prefer to avoid orals since I'll have some wine over the holidays, but I'd trade the wine to keep my hair
Personally… I think the liver/kidney toxicity can be blown out of proportion. Drink a ton of water and you should be fine. Now if it was winstrol or anadrol, I’d say differently.
With that said… if you have to use ED drugs or have them on hand, NPP is fun or you can even run deca low and for a long period of time.
Ranger3252Good luck finding primo or mast at the moment, unless you’re stocked up with it. I wouldn’t even bother with an oral. Not sure how long you plan on running your cycle for. However adding eq or deca around 600 mg per week for 16-20 weeks, with 2 iu of GH a day (slowly increasing throughout your cycle up to 4iu) would be a great cycle. Watch crashing your estrogen on eq though. Keep some dbol on hand if you crash it. Keep up with blood work through out your cycle and of course after as well.
Hair loss is going to happen to most if you’re going to take this to the next level. Then for your next cycle add in an oral for your third compound.
Do you not count GH as a third compound? Honestly, I'm not sure I want to add that in yet just because I don't want to pin myself another time for it.
I've read eq will zap my hair with the worst of them. Yes, I'm aware it's eventually coming but I'd rather prolong it as long as possible
Ranger3252It’s just a sub Q injection. HGH is a peptide hormone, not a steroid. It’s still a hormone, but a peptide as opposed to a steroid.
Eq shouldn’t do anything to your hair. It’s among the most mild drugs in that regard.
GH pins are different. It’s not a huge needle injecting IM. It’s just a tiny insulin pin you inject into the fat somewhere on your body. Usually stomach, hips or thighs. Most of the time it’s completely painless and takes about 1/4 the time as an IM injection of gear. So it’s no big deal at all.
Why add another compound? I know it’s temping and fun to experiment. But being over 40 with Health being a priority and no goals of competing at a high level, stick to the basics like test. That’ll take most of us where we want to go. Primo seems to be a safe addition. But it’s hard to get now. I think it’s best to stay away from most orals after 40. Anavar would be the only one worth considering.
Ranger3252I’m a huge Tbol fan, I think it’s right up there with Var.
Only reason I don't just increase test is because anything over 140/week requires an ai and becomes difficult to manage sides. So I'd like to experiment with low dose second compounds yearly
Gotcha. It’s challenging to run anything else with just 140mgs of test. I’d probably steer clear of nandrolone. You need to raise your test dose considerably to run a decent dose of nandrolone, and it doesn’t have any ai properties so you’d need to control estrogen well and if it gets out of control bad thing can happen on nan. It sounds like you were able to successfully raise your test dose on primo due to its AI effects? not surprising it nuked your hair as it’s a DHT derivative.. EQ has similar AI properties but it’s hair friendly. It’s just not known for accelerating hair loss in guys prone to it. So that’s something to consider. 300mg would be the bare minimum and that’s a low dose for EQ. 400 would be better. If you aromatize a lot you could probably get away with 200-250mg of test.
I had a pretty good run once with low test and higher npp. I was doing daily pins. 20mg/ day test and 50-60mg/day npp. Zero estrogen sides and no ai. Honestly the best I felt. Horniest I've been since a teenager even. More so than when I ran tren.
This is super useful. Thanks man.
So what do you think of something like 1:1.5 ratio of test:eq? Starting at 200:300 and possibly titrate up to 250:400
Are you making an assumption needing AI or is that from experience?
Experience. Lots of trial and error to find my sweet spot, which is actually 114mg/week (50mg e3d). I get sides with anything above that.
What's your take on tbol?
It’s a good dry compound. More muscle building potential than var in my experience. Not as liver toxic as adrol and dbol, but not quite as mild as anavar. Still murder on your lipids though. But that can be mostly mitigated with my lipid stack. Except HDL. I can raise that a little bit but not much so depending on where you are naturally will depend on how bad it gets on cycle. I just think past a certain age if you’re just a gym rat trying to look good naked most orals are unnecessarily harsh and don’t really do anything much safer injectables can’t do too.
They’re all but useless for me in a mass gaining phase. They completely destroy my appetite. They seem to slow down my digestion keeping me full way longer. Usually an hour after a meal I feel good and digested. but on orals I’ll be 2-3 hours after an I still feel like I just finished eating, I’m all bloated and burping, stomach looks pregnant lol , I’m feeling heavy and slow and tired. By the 2 week mark I can’t get all my food down which is obviously counterproductive. Now this appetite suppression can be beneficial for me on a cut so that’s the one time I’ll consider running something like anavar.
I'm same boat as you, just trying to look good naked. Not planning on taking t-bol, but I do have a couple boxes. Had read that it's pretty similar to anavar, but was curious what someone who KNOWS thought about it.
I can't handle ANYTHING at the moment that is hairline destructive. I'm at that crossroads where I've probably gotta man up and shave it hahaha.
Ya dude, just shave it off and then you can run whatever you want. Some of the safer more mild compounds are quite destructive to hair if you’re prone to hair loss. Like primo and mast.
I don’t hair loss on gear, or without. I got hair of steel. I just get so much body acne I can’t go to the pool anymore in the summer and have to run accutane all the time lol.
Some day but not today. I'm not going down without a fight
Best gains I ever made were on 300mg test E and 25mg Proviron. Mild cycle but I felt amazing, ate well, and just crushed it in the gym.
Solid cycle. I love proviron. It’s a great addition to any cycle and really helps lower SHBG and increase free test. As well as a host of other benefits.
Good stuff. I haven't looked into proviron so I'll start there. Thanks.