It's hard to pick and choose what's acceptible for anyone else. We put together a little story based off of the info we're given. But we're all behind a screen somewhere.

One thing to keep in mind is that there is a " don't tell me what to do" mentality. To educate safety is important. Make them aware their wiener might not work if they fuck up. If we come off in a condescending manner, most of them are just going to do the opposite. They'll hide in their little closet and run their Tren and t3 blindly. The best we can do is advocate safety, awareness, and education. But sometimes a little couth can go a long way. Instead of saying hey dumbass, maybe enstilling a sense of community to newbs would be the better choice. I'm not saying this is a constant, but it definitely happens enough.

There is a lot of truth in this post.

I've never used tren personally, thanks to this site. If it wasn't for eroids there is a good chance my first cycle would have involved either tren e or deca. I didn't know about prolactin control and I knew very little about pct. Thanks to the advice I got from guys here and from reading posts and stickies I ran a test only cycle, gained 20lbs, kept 18lbs post cycle and rebounded ok following pct.

I advise new users against tren not because I have experience of it personally but because it's completely unnecessary for a new user. Maybe that makes me full of shit I don't know. I don't do it for karma though, I do it because I'm glad someone did it for me.

"If you answered no to any of them three questions you need to check yourself because most likely you are full of shit."

That's me full of shit then. I'm not posting pics here unless eroids promises to pay my salary for the next 25 years if I'm spotted ;)

Joking aside, the problem is the motivation for giving advice. A lot of the time, especially for newer members, giving popular advice means karma from other members. Karma equals promos which equals free stuff. Telling people not to use tren because "they're not ready for it" will potentially get them karma. Saying "well you're going to do it, you shouldn't but you probably will anyway" leads to getting bashed by other members and sometimes negative karma. Back to the same old issue again, KARMA. Oh no.....

Stop karma being a commodity, problem at least partially solved itself.

just gotta pick whos legit and whos mouths on twigs i guess lol, some people should just get too fuck!

At some point it becomes a case of:
Do you tell then to do it safely because you know they're going to do it anyway, or do you frustrate yourself trying to convince them not to do it. Ends up becoming a personal desicion.

Morals really are curiously funny.

I personally don't like tren and don't see myself ever using it again. I can get lean enough without it, I enjoy my sleep and sweat enough and all that other happiness, my blood pressure is a struggle enough to keep under control with my diet. You combative noooohh never. You can act cunty sometimes especially when you use tren lol.

My thing on cycle advice is regardless of goals you should have multiple years of steady diet and steady training and your body should show it. Drugs should not be used to get into shape and drugs should not be slung around with the misconception that they will make you lose bodyfat, will they aid it sure but your diet dictates everything. I want to see people hit their goals but I don't want them to think without drugs they cant. Just be in shape have some time under your belt in the kitchen and the gym , and look like it which isn't hard if you've been doing it. Of course if you have a medical condition like trt you need test off the rip. I'm just not one for people thinking they need drugs. I also think if your going to dish out advice you better be following it yourself , leading by example. If your going to give advice like a vet, act like one also.

Nothing wrong with having a pussy... if you are a female ;-)

Somebody or people are calling you or the MODs pussies? Dang. I don't want to see the MODs on the warpath. I've seen it once already. Blood dripping from every post. You can quietly reduce those people to ashes until your blood pressure normalizes, bro.

The Tren thing has always been out of control here. But, OTOH, I am getting sick and tired of it being a first cycle drug. The kids doing it first cycle are little paper dolls to being with and Tren ain't gonna do shit for 'em except fuck up their blood work, raise their blood pressure, stress out the kidneys, shut down their systems and all the other stuff it does.

So, I dunno man. Like you say hard to talk em out of it. I haven't seen the 7% BF and 6 years gym time requirement personally. I'm sorry but that sounds funny just to even say it.

The other new one of late is "I gotta run a competition prep cycle to loose a little weight" Test / Tren and Mast. That's a fucking epidemic now. I think the labs and their cheap Test / Tren / Mast blends are not helping that situation, but in my mind that's even worse than Tren.

Love this! Let me add that it must be perplexing for a new member to take advice from someone who has no pics of themselves, or if their stats are fucked up.

Well put .. Could not agree more +2

Well said.