posted Sat, 11/03/2012 - 13:07
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During some random reads on here, I came across a good read about Proviron by P. http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/proviron...sho... The facts stated in this post reminded me a good bit of an AI. So, before I even get into a difference that I noticed or my opinions, I'm curious what others can say about the uses and differences for each vs other. Reason I ask this is because I see some people running both during their cycles have some interesting times for starting their AI.
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Speaking from personal experience, an AI is a must for any cycle that has the potential to create estrogen related sides. I have attempted to cut cost by accepting that proviron at 50-75 mgs ed and nolvadex as needed would be sufficient. After the onset of gyno symptoms at a test cyp dose of 500mg/wk, i have learned the hard way that an AI is a must. $3000 for surgery is not worth the gamble to cut cost and poorly plan a cycle. That being said, Proviron does do wonders as far as enhancing your basic test cycle by freeing up testosterone and keeping a more lean look while on cycle and avoiding significant bloat.
Here's the comment I posted in reply to P's post.
"I'm a fan of proviron. But in my experience with it, it's NOT a good replacement for an AI as some seem to think. It is used to make testosterone more effective which I believe it does. It's also used to prevent estro from building up as you have stated but in my own experience ,if you don't follow the protocol for an aromatise inhibitor along side the provi , you're setting yourself up for estrogen rebound. In the middle of my last cycle, I introduced proviron. It seemed to kick things up a notch (not a scientific analysis but that pretty much describes it). My libido got much more intense. My strength and endurance seemed to be raised. I felt a lot more of that Dbol euphoria that high doses of test can give. It definitely amplified my cycle. I did not use an AI. At the end of my run, about a week after stopping completely ,I had to stop everything abruptly and was unable to run pct for medical reasons. I developed horrible Gyno (which I'm not prone to), my emotions were out of control. I would cry if I saw a feed the children commercial. Now I've run cycles in the past with no AI and hadn't had these problems. I don't have the labs to back it up but all evidence points to estrogen rebound. I had to run letro to kill the estro effects and reverse the gyno. So my point is, although proviron is a great addition to a cycle, do not make the mistake of thinking its a good replacement for an AI because of its anti-e properties. Follow the protocol and enjoy the ride. Provi is hands down the best compound for sex and it makes your testosterone more efficient! I realize that none of this was the point in your post but it is my experience and in talking with some guys about it they think it can be a replacement for an AI!"
Anonyeah, bro. i appreciate the input. my experiences with cycles have been with test only and until coming across this site, it was under the guidance of a personal friend that has about 20 years experience running juice. although he has this much under his belt, he, as i've learned from reading on here, has a minimal working knowledge of what he's putting his body thru. so the word "guidance" isn't really appropriate; more like "misguidance".
I noticed some similar characteristics between the two in that post, so I created this thread for some feed back. you'll see from one of my posts below that i actually managed to get some of my facts crossed up between this topic and a completely different compound i was reading at the same time.
I have a better understanding now of this compound, although still fairly basic. i'm mostly curious what compounds it's mostly synergistic with and which ones, if any, would be more antagonistic. it seems it's a mostly beneficial with your test, but what if you're running other DHT derivatives like masteron? any thing worthy of taking note of? i ask this because i'm considering a cutting cycle in my upcoming one. want to cover my bases, of course.
never too proud to learn or admit my mistakes. thanks for the input, bro
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnonOk... my bad on the topic of the post. been fighting a fever and taking meds all day and the shit had me loopy. somehow got crossed up with something else i was reading at the same time and wound up putting caber, so I've edited it to reflect what I meant to say. sorry for the confusion...
what i meant was that it reminded me of an AI. i realize it's a steroid and not an AI but it seems to have a lot of the same sides/benefits as an AI, in addition to releasing test that is bound by SHBG (or did I read that wrong, P?) i've personally never taken proviron, and i'm not writing this because i'm considering using it as a substitute for an AI either. What I am curious about is which compounds it's mostly synergistic with and when is the best time to incorporate it and stop running it.
I did notice a few cycle logs where people had began taking the provi on week 1 but waited until week 3 or 4 for the AI. Thing is: although they were running test e, they were also running prop for the first few weeks to kickstart. So, why wait that long on the AI? I realize the halflife of prop is short but it still converts.
Proviron has some AI qualities but should never be used in place of an AI brother (because it's NOT one)
YES it frees up some free test and has qualities that increase libido that make it ideal for use with 19nor's but again should never be used in place of an AI
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Anonmy bad P. i just reread your post and skimmed over the comments... i must have gotten crossed up with something else that I was reading and wound up posting this about caber. what i meant to put was vs and AI. been fighting a fever all day today; shit's got my head loopy!
like H said, two completely diff compounds, im using both right now and i love it, the proviron doesnt do much for me except for a nice libido boost
Entirely didfferent compounds bro but both very useful when using 19's
Caber is an antiprolactic while proviron is a mild steroid. Apple and Oranges
Anoni just reread that post. i must have gotten crossed up with something else that I was reading and wound up posting this about caber. what i meant to put was vs and AI. been fighting a fever all day and taking meds; shit's got my head loopy!
proviron sucks as an AI
AnonIMO, there's def no substitute for an AI. no doubt. i just posted a comment above more in line with what i was getting at. feedback or critism is welcome.
Anoni new proviron was a mild steroid as well as caber being anti-prolactin. i must have misread something in that post. i'll have to reread it when i have the time. i thought the sides were almost inline with one another, including controling prolactin levels, but that proviron had the added ability to release test that is bound by SHBG.
Personally speaking, I love oranges myself