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PROVIRON- Adding Proviron to the end of a 12 week Test E/Deca cycle
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Hi, I want to add Proviron to the end of of my 12 week Test E/Deca cycle, and I was wondering when would be the best time to add it.
I'm thinking of adding it 3 weeks to the end of the cycle, or staggering it so the last week is all by itself, and then my PCT begins the week after that. What do you think?
So it would be:
Weeks 1-10 Test E 500mg / Deca 250mg • total per week (pin twice a week)
Weeks 10-12 Test E 500mg • total per week (pin twice a week)
Weeks 1-4 TBol 40mg/day
Week 11-13 Proviron 50mg/day
Week 14 Nolva, 40mg/day, Clomid 100 mg/day
Week 15: Nolva, 40mg/day, Clolmid 100mg/day
Week 16: Nolva, 20mg/day, Clomid 50mg/day
Week 17: Nolva, 20mg/day, Clomid 50mg/day
Thanks!
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I only used it during Deca and/or Tren to keep the libido going. I do have to say that within a short time after I take it almost predatory thoughts start forming.
I get that with test lol. Feel sorry for my wife.
mazarGood thing is that you propably found the best time to use it. After deca you need a stong androgen like proviron to keep your pecker up. If you get morning wood you might not need it, if you dont get you need to add it. Dont expect any visual gains its only use is for libido/morning wood. An ideal tapper would be with tprop and proviron, proviron alone might not do much for the last week.
What do you mean by tapper? The last part of a cycle? Would you recommend 4 weeks on Test Prop instead of Test E? How many mg/week?
mazarThe last two weeks of the cycle when you wait for your pct it is wise to use prop since you wont be using test e anyway. Proviron alone wont do much for those two weeks.
Anontaper with test prop because it is a short ester, rather than Test E.. it'll help you have a smooth transaction into your post cycle without a crash
So do the last two weeks with Test Prop instead of Test Ethanate? If I'm doing 500mg/week (pin 250mg, twice) of Test Ethante, should I do the same equivalent of Test Prop for two weeks? I read pin once every 3 days.
Anonafter the last week of prop, do a 2 week over lap with a taper of test prop.. it'll make for a much smoother transition to your PCT
How much do you guys recommend to "tapper" with and when with the Test Prop? One week? Two weeks? How many mg/week do you recommend and how often to pin?
mazar100-150mg eod of prop (m,w,f,sat) for the last two weeks. http://pct.befit4free.net/ this will tell you when to come off too, if you use 150mg you need to leave 4-5 days before you start pct if you use 100mg 3-4 days is fine.
That PCT calculator makes no sense to me. Why does it give you the option on the start day? Is there a video tutorial on how to use it? LOL
mazarDont overthink it, basically it gives you a window when you can enter pct. That calculator thinks that when you have 100mg of test in you it is the right time for pct. It is always best to enter pct early rather than late. You can always strech your pct a couple of days. If you want to enter then next day after your last prop shot you can do that too, else just leave the standard 3 days and do you pct.
No need for video guides just enter the compounds you used and the days you used them. It is accurate but use a bit of common sense to dont just rely on it.
So let me get this clear: right now I was going to do 12 weeks of Test E 500mg/Deca 300mg per week (pin 1/2 half the amount, twice a week) but instead now I'm going to do go only 10 weeks and do the last two with Test Prop 100mg EOD for a total of 350mg a week? Or am I pinning less amount per day and tapering off?
Then wait 3 days and start the 4 weeks of Nolva/Clomid PCT?
Anon100mg EOD is best protocol
MultipurposeYou could really throw it in at anytime. I tried it instead of anastrazole to prevent excess estrogen and it seemed to work well at 50mg a day. It's also supposed to free up more testosterone by binding to shbg.
The best time to add it would be never, because it is pretty much useless...
Anonunless of course you are a female and you are trying to strip fat deposits from you legs and hips ;p and I don't see any of those around here..
X2. I've used it twice now and got zilch off it re any of the supposed benefits.
why do you think it's useless?
Mesterolone is similar to dihydrotestosterone in that it does not aromatise or offer any anabolic properties. It is used in medicine for androgen therapy in order to treat issues such as loss of libido, impotence etc.
It is sometimes used in combination with compounds such as deca, in order to add an androgenic component to the cycle and thereby prevent libido and impotence issues. However, it makes much more sense to use testosterone here, as even small doses such as 250mg every 10 - 14 days will prevent such issues more effectively than mesterolone.
Another misconception is the belief that mesterolone will make a steroid cycle more effective by freeing up more testosterone. Around 98% of the testosterone within the body is bound to "sex hormone binding globuline" (SHBG) and albumin. Only roughly 2% are free and hence active.
Since mesterolone has a higher SHBG affinity than testosterone, it is believed to increase free testosterone levels and thereby letting the user benefit from increased active testosterone.
However, there are enough studies that document an actual decrease in total testosterone levels when taking mesterolone. This testosterone reducing effect occurs because mesterolone acutally does repel testosterone from its binding. The body immediately reacts to the increase in free testosterone within the blood by metabolising excess testosterone molecules in the liver, leaving the user with a lower level of total testosterone contrary to the desired effect.
Finally, the last misconception is the belief that mesterolone binds to the aromatase enzym, thereby making it useless and causing a decreased conversion from testosterone to estrogen. This is also not correct, because as we now know the mesterolone repels the testosterone from its bond, thereby causing increased breakdown of testosterone molecules.
Obviously, less testosterone will equal less aromatisation, which is why people who take mesterolone will report less bloat and fat increase on-cycle.
Why mesterolone is not good for PCT should be clear by now: decreased testosterone and LH levels are hardly what anyone wants when trying to keep gains.
In the end, it will only be competing athletes who use mesterolone in the last 2 - 3 weeks before a competition. This is because the high androgenity will give the muscles a greater fulness, hardness and density. As a DHT derivative the mesterolone acts as an aldosterone-antagonist, which means that it will cause an increased excretion of sodium and water, giving the athlete better definition shortly before a competition.
If you had to choose between Proviron and Amastrozole on a test/deca cycle which would you go with? I just had to bump up the Amastrozole to 1mg per day because my estrogen levels are still too high after taking 1/2 per day for the last 4 weeks. Thanks for the advice.
I don't think you properly read what I wrote above, lol. The proviron is definitely not what you want, as it does not decrease estrogen.
Did you have your estrogen levels tested or how do you know they are too high?
Yes, I have blood work done at least every 4-6 weeks on any cycle.
mazarIf adex didnt cut it for you then proviron will do nothing as an AI. Keep in mind proviron increases free estrogen too it needs to be taken along with a serm in order to be used as an effective ai. Serm's like nolva supposedly upregulate the progesterone receptors so you cant really use that stack as an AI. If 1mg of adex didnt work for you hit 1mg every 12 hours, 2mg ed is the max dose. If that doesnt work you need aromasin/letro.