PRIMOBOLAN ENTH OR ACE?
This memorial,maybe 2weeks sooner im running first cycle in several yrs = 
primobolan is going to be the main ingredient. My first question is has anybody ever used it for a lean quality musclegain cycle. I plan on running roughly an average of 600mg a week. I may add 10-20mg a day of injectable dball for a couple weeks in the middle depending on gains my first 3-4weeks. Then im going to finish with injectable winny or tren ace added in.I plan on a 10 week cycle. Other than frequency of injections what is the pros and cons of each. I know primobolan as the main is rare. However i like the slow and steady gains in quality muscle. It allows me to monitor and improve symmetry or lagging parts. Has anybody ever used primo as your main b4 and what were the results and what did u stack it with. I know the acetate ill have to start lower And adjust and pyramid the dosages myself. Also im going to use clenbuterol the last 3 weeks and maybe cytomel t3 or t4. Thats another question i have. What results and effects has anybody got from cytomel and what was it used with. Has anybody ever used it at end of lean gains cycle or cutting cycle only. I haven't used cytomel b4. THANX VERY MUCH 4 any help. I will post how the cycle goes and give weekly updates of progress and nutrition tweeks
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still waiting for your stats. No stats no service.
Eye Glass up top of the page, search first cycle. There is a wealth of knowledge and history in there. All the info you could ask for is in there. Then if you need clarification on something, The big boys will help you out...
waiterAlso everything will be injectable. I dont like orals. Done very little of them and besides more dangerous,i feel injectable works much better.
waiterY would primobolan be wrong. Just curious.
waiterThats the idea if u read my post. I was thinking to add some dball but leaning towards primobolan only. I know everybody here is big on test. Other than suspension i never had interest in test. Anabolics have made me VERY happy ALWAYS. Im interested in hearing some input bout experiences with primo only or primo in general. Im also considering eq. Im interested in opinions and all suggestions even on test and the opinions on why. Its been a while and im interested on hearing everything out. Thanx guys
First cycle in 5 yrs, No test, Not a good idea, I'm too new on this board to give advice but after 5 years you need to start at a first cycle (1 compound) and see how your body reacts...Common sense friend.
Good points bro.................... +3 to you.
AnonDefinitely wrong
waiterSorry for not elaborating guys. I dont post anywheres else. I just went back to the gym several months ago from a several yr layoff. I used to post at other small boards yrs ago. Those boards r no longer around. Lately i been busy watching nfl combines i recorded. AND getting online has been a pain. I bought a galaxy off ebay that went to wrong customer at first. Anyways i havnt cycled in 5 yrs, im a lil rusty and just toying with ideas And gathering info to build a cycle. I dont like like retaining xtra water On my cycle and i like sticking with anabolics pretty Much as i have always got good results and better Muscle than most people report. I once used winstrol only,eq only and many people were amazed at results. The dball i was thinking bout adding for couple weeks for some size kick if needed. However, after more consideration i was always happy with my size usually from milder gear like winny or eq. When i post a proposal its more less a suggestion/question combo asking what u guys think of it. Right now im 190 15 percent bf. When i start cycle I'll be at 12percent at the most and bout 180 lbs. During my cycle my goal is to add quality lean mucle while continuing to lose fat. My diet is pretty set and old nutrition programs are still working exactly the same for me. Since returning to the gym i have lost 10 lbs of total weight while clearly gaining muscle back and getting much stronger.my immediate goal is to get back to previous stats or close to it. 5"9 5/8 178 lbs 6-7 percent bf 225 for 9-11 reps depending on that day. I know most people dont agree but i dont wanna use test. Would really like to use primobolan for this cycle. Of course im open to advise. Previous cycles i usually added clen at the tail. I always kept pct but only needed it once.
No test?
Primo to low
Dbol with primo makes no sense to me...I'm no guru but it makes no sense imo
10 weeks on primo is to short
All MY opinion
damn I wonder how well you would do with a real cycle. If you seriously ran cycles 1 per year since 02 I question the quality of them. I can only imagine what your cycle history looks like.
RustyhookerIts definitly hard to help a dude when they're allusive. :(
RustyhookerPost your stats. That long time off and cycle needs Hella help.
I read somewhere that you use "other boards"..... what you have outlined is not a cycle its a fkn mish mash of compounds that really dont have any synergistic actions between them, you have it thrown together like a cheap sale rack... you talk like you some experience with AAS but let me tell you bro... it certainly aint coming across that way with the train wreck you have outlined up top.
waiterI know its. Probably tough to grip. I did however tell my goals. Takes time to describe cyclE history in detail. I will do so when i get time. I have a while to plan this cycle. Anyways clarifying one thing, Imy first cycle was 02. II did one each yr02-09 skipping 2003,2008. Looking to evenTually get back to my best Stats. THANX
What are your stats and goals?
X2^^^^ Before any suggestions from me
You have a lot of stuff going on here that isn't making sense.
waiterAlso do u think that i wont end up needing anything to harden at the end? Primobolan only should be fine?
waiterI dont understand whats so dangerous?? 600mg week of primo enth and MAYBE 10-20 mg a day of dball then maybe a couple weeks of tren ace a day at very low dose. The clen is also going to be conservative dose and im ASKING BOUT the cytomel.
Anyways bodyfat will be bout 12percent at start. My previous cycles are rather similar. I always stuck with the anabolics. Eq winny deca primo and var in different combinations. Same in past sometimes i added 15 mg day injectable dball for couple weeks. I always grew nicely off low mod doses of anabolics. Sometimes peeps didnt beleive thats all i was using. I made those gains in past cycles while actually lowering bodyfat. I did one cycle per yr from 2001-2009 usually to get in best shape for summer. I was a measured 5"9 5/8 180ish 6 percent bodyfat and benched 225 9-11 reps depending on day. When i begin my cycle ill be bout 185 12-13 percent bodyfat. I know it wont get me back to exactly those numbers But im looking for10-12 lbs muscle and bodyfat below 10. In the past i routinely took holiday season off and gained some bodyfat and returned to gym after new yrs and started cycles in midspring/late spring. II worked out at kevins gym and kind of did things same way except he added A LOT MORE MUSCLE LOL :) We also had same trainer/nutritionIst
IIm asking advice on if i should use primobolan enth or ace. Im leaning towards enanthate. Do u think 600 is to much? Im starting at 300 and planned on working up to roughly 600 maybe lil less depending on how gains r going. The tren ace or winny if added at end would be 20-25mg a day.diet is set. From experience i know what works for me and how i respond to nutrition programs. Do u think i wont need to pyramid that high on the primobolan?? And should i junk cytomel thought?
AnonAre you not running test at all? You need to at least run TRT dose
I commend you on not internet bullshitting your stats but I don't like that you seem to just use juice instead of lifestyle to be in shape for part of the year if you worked to maintain your gains off cycle you'd be much much bigger. Primo the drug I won't speak on since I have not personally used it and don't talk about shit I haven't lab ratted on myself, but I do know the Enanthate ester quite well and it'll be effective if you run it for 10 weeks but you'll need all 10.
The problem is you're talking about clen AND t3 AND tren. The fuck man. Any one of these alone is a bad choice for your goals and level of dedication. That's asking for an emergency room visit especially from being used in combination and especially being used by someone who isn't a dedicated educated athlete monitoring their health constantly. You can DIE from clen it's not a joke you get some overdosed stuff or don't understand how to monitor/protect yourself while using it ( potassium comes to mind ) and boom you're fucked - and that's only clen alone. Combining t3/clen should only ever even be on the table for professionals or long time dedicated vets dieting down to below 6% BF.... Tren in the mix just makes it that much more sketchy since it stresses your kidneys and heart on top of what clen or clen/t3 would be doing bad bad idea
TRT dose test + injectable dbol kickstart+ primo + finishing with winny won't have you taking a dirt nap so if you're determined to do something just do that. Taking orals back to back isn't a good idea, if you're going to use both dbol/winny ( one would be preferable ) it wouldn't be a bad idea to use at least one in injectable form I'd do dbol since injectable winny hurts very badly. I'm a big fan of injectable dbol all the positives none of the negatives but that's just for me, oral dbol messes me up even low dose.
AnonDo you want to die?
Well either way we will need stats/cycle history to advise you on how to off yourself properly.
You shouldn't run clen for longer than 2 weeks