posted Mon, 07/03/2017 - 16:02
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185lb
13-15% bf
training for 5 years natural
I have a strict diet clean track everything for past 2+ years
Will get blood pre cycle and mid cycle and post cycle that's the plan unless you guys feel like pre and post is good enough
Possible first cycle:
Cycle Length: 12 weeks
Weeks 1-12 500mg Test Enanthate per week
Weeks 1-4 30mg adrol or dbol per day
Weeks 1-12 10 mg Exemestane every other day
PCT:
Nolvadex
week 1 20mg / day
week 2 20mg/ day
week 3 10mg day
week 4 10mg day
Any advice would will be highly appreciated! I love all the wisdom each person here brings!! I've been here for a short time and have learned and read a lot from tons of you much love!
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Kent, i gotta give you props for doing your research and getting advice before jumping in.
That's the right way to do it.
You'll be dialed in soon.
Pinning and pct are the easy parts, getting
Your diet dialed in is the hard part
Man,
Thanks for this! I'm doing my very best to become as educated as possible pre cycle. Trying to take in all the experience on this forum and use it. You guys are the best much love!
Your (revised) PCT is not good; it is too short, also frontload for tamox is not necessary whereas a frontload for clomid can be done far more effectively in just 1 day. The so called Standard PCT protocol, is a load of rubbish, in the sense that it does not universally apply to any one ester/compound/individual/cycle duration. It is generalised and doesn't address the pharmacokinetics and real life application/response of the drugs. It can only be considered a starting point if you then go and tweak it to suit your cycle with a knowledge/research-driven approach.
HCG usage is subjective, for a first timer you need to understand your goals to know if using it is appropriate - why do you want to use HCG?, answer that and you will move to know if it is a good option/choice for you. The notion of HCG not being needed due to youthful age is nonsense really, people shut down differently regardless of age, therefore it is wholly subjective. For a first cycle, the best way to look at it, is how it pertains to your on-cycle use, your PCT and post-cycle aspirations.
Your A'sin usage will lower estro before the exog test you are taking has an opportunity to cause a raise in estro. Therefore your outlined usage runs a significant risk of crashing your estrogen in the first couple of weeks of your cycle.
You need to do a fair bit of research as the lads say below.
giardap, You should do a little write up on PCT and why the cookie cutter is often inappropriate. There is soooo much conflicting info out there, Some forums are all about Nolva only ( old school), eroids likes our clomid nolva combo for 4 weeks, some say hcg always some disregard the hcg. Some say wait 2 weeks after last pin of test ( in a test only cycle) others want 30 days ( Dr Scally)
conflicting half lifes of test, current info says 4.5 days... old info says 11 days
Dr Scally says disregard half life and use mean residence time MRT.
I've gone the TRT route cause I'm old, so I'm a little out of the loop on some of the latest developments in PCT
Damnit, when did 49 become old?! Im following right behind you lol
;-P
Yeah so once again the academics muddied the waters for everyone. The difference is between plasma half life and actual biological half life. If you look at any of the more comprehensive studies on test esters it looks like they speak of just half life, then they talk of terminal half life and plasma again separately. But if you look to the diagrams in support of their studies, you see the measurements are blood levels over time, so it is plasma half lives they actually refer to which is why scally talks about MRT, but this said they also refer to MRT - Whereas the 10.3 days comes from pre clinical studies, and clinical studies showing upper end measurements.
Ref: Comparative pharmacokinetics of testosterone esters Hermann M. Behre and Eberhard Nieschlag - you can download this online, its a fascinating read. Can cherry-pick things as you need them, single dose, multi dose, mixed test esters (sust basically) etc.
All that aside, you want to know if cookie cutter PCT fits all, check out the half life or MRT of test undec (inj) see if you think that 4 weeks is enough to get you sorted!!!! Its all of this ambiguity that leads people to wonder why the hell their test is still through the floor after 3 months +.
I will try to do something up, not necessarily as a protocol, but more so to get people thinking outside the box and get researching per individual cycle/compounds and design their own bespoke PCT's. Am doing some research on IGF's at the moment though and really need to put some work in on that as am also planning ahead for next cycle.
If you google the above document, or PM me actually and I will send you a link to download it. Its a solid read.
Cycle logs are a great research tool.
Check out some other people's first cycle
Been checking those out
Thanks for your advice sir!
What are the foods, calories and macros?...post it up for review....we can address diet modifications prior to any AAS use....
3000-4000 Calories a day bulking
180g protein
500 carbs
75 fat
These are estimates. All my meals are prepped unless I go to eat and I still track that via an app on my phone.
Normal meal for me meat + rice + veggies + fruit
example: lunch chicken & beef w/ rice & broccoli & apple. I'm an extremely picky eater so eating very boring meals comes easy.
I workout 5 days a week and have a high metabolism FYI
185 × 1.5g/lbs = 277.5 g of daily protein needed to support growth. Also, you could bump 277.5g. to 300g. Looks like your foods are wholesome. Sweet potatoes will help get ya to that 500g daily carbs target, or that's gonna be a lot rice, brocolli and apples. Choose carbs with a low glycemic index. You could carb cycle and parallel your protein and carbs one week, then increase between 300-500g the next week. You could also bump your good fats up 35-45g per day. So, a refurbished cal/mac plan would be:
277-300/300-500/75-120 (p/c/f)
3-4K is a lot to eat for beginners, but it CAN be done...if you're pounding out a 5 day workout, then 3-4K should be a good start to support your BMR.
Query Harris Benedict Equation and calculate your BMR with and without activity. Bring those numbers back here and let's see if you're on the right track!
Post your lifting regimens, if you'd like...we can look over those too....
Standard pct
Clomid
100/100/50/50
Nolvadex
40/40/20/20
Drop the dbol/adrol
OP had 2 minutes to see the info you posted....but failed to address the clomid?
Stupid question: So do i run just nolvadex?
40 a day week 1
40 a day week 2
20 a day week 3
20 a day week 4
Is this correct?
Nolvadex and Clomid. hcg is really only needed for heavy cycles. at your age and a easy first cycle you won't need it unless your post bloods come back all fucked up but most likely won't have a problem
You've great advice....OP should be addressing Clomid, not just Nolva...
I'm wondering why OP is not askin about it, yet?
Don't get sucked in...pretty soon OP will be debating the issue why NOT to use the oral... :/ maybe
For sure man just gave him a little bit of a push start on it. Hopefully he will research what I told him and get a vision and understanding more on it. sometimes I just help out when I can lol most the time I just pass or say use search bar
Thank you, sir...
If i'm understanding this advice properly:
Clomid
100/100/50/50
Nolvadex
40/40/20/20
week 1 100mg clomid & 40mg nolva everyday
week 2 100mg clomid & 40mg nolva everyday
week 3 50mg clomid & 20mg nolva everyday
week 4 50mg clomid & 20mg nolva everuday
And no need for HCG due to my age I should bounce back pretty quickly? Awesome!
I know PCT is the most important part of the cycle so I want to make sure this is my proper and best PCT option
Thanks for everyones great advice it's much appreciated.
RustyhookerBetter. Work the foods too. Thats where things come together
Thanks for all the great advice everyone I couldn't be more thankful. Now that we have PCT in check I will write up my diet and training regime and post it. I posted a general calories in and macros above but some have asked for more details. I will also be getting pre cycle bloods in the coming week.
Yup you got it now bud
Do some more research your pct is not right
I have... So many mixed opinions on to run clomid or nolva and HCG is probably the most complicated thing i've researched seems like everyone has a different way to do PCT I'm open to any suggestions... I know most of you guys have tons of experience.
There you go got some good advice from some experienced guys
As you research, learn and follow our guidance, please update your forum with a revised PCT protocol that is discussed on Eroids as the standard. That way your forum begins to look professional and appear like your possible first cycle doesn't come across as impossible...Welcome to Eroids...glad you're here...
If you click on the arrow up top click on community then forums and look for forum's about pct most of what I know I found from reading a lot of different forums you can friend request me and pm me I can maybe point you in the right direction
Thanks a million for all advice I will friend request you and the others who have helped me
I'm very fortunate to have found a community like this.
5' 8" Can you give recommendations on what to change?
RustyhookerHeight? Bad idea on cycle.