posted Sun, 08/06/2017 - 15:36
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Planning Out Bulking Cycle
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Planning out my next cycle trying to put on a decent amount of mass. Would love to get any feedback or advice for changes that should be made. Thinking 12 weeks.
DBol; 30mg ED wks 1-5
Test Cyp; 600mg wks 1-12
Equipoise; 300mg wks 1-12
Tren Ace; 225/wk Wks 4-8
Nolva 20mg EOD 1-12
HcG 275iu 3x/WK Wks 11-14
Should I change any dosages or swap anything out? Also would like input on PCT. thanks guys
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Rustyhooker5-10 .... 176 pounds...food
Dogshit cycle.
Back to drawing board.
Bunk.
I don't even use 300mg of EQ .... more like 600 - 750mg .... for about 16 weeks not 12 ... you won't even see anything from it at that dose and length of time unless you front load but then again I m usually running it with a very low dose of sustanon ... so given how you might process it you could get away with it with a nice frontload to compliment the rest of the cycle .. .
as for the rest I have read through it all but I m quite certain you were raked over the coals well enough.
Nolva during a cycle? why ever for? ... are you thinking as an ai? pick a different one and you'd never start it during week one ....
I could go one but I m not going to
27 Years old
Tren
EQ
D BOL
Sweet let's all watch your BP soar through the roof!
DO MORE RESEARCH
Not to mention 300 mg of EQ is useless
Oh yea and you lay out a "cycle" then ask for PCT advice? Are you high? Shouldn't you be planning your PCT FIRST?? then plan a cycle. You're all ass backwards
KIDS KIDS KIDS!!!
I've never used EQ but have thought about using it instead of tren,after reading a post from makwa.Why is 300 mg useless?
It's really not useless
Ppl think it is due to the duration to steady state and the subsequent effects
Front loading effectively will get you past that
Ppl generally say 4-600 is a good startING point but there's no reason 300 wouldn't support your other compounds
So just too low of a dose traditionally?Duration is also much longer than most other compounds?How is shutdown compared to tren?
Yeah dude, low in bro terms. If you listen online, people who dont seem to frontload say run it for long duration. Whereas when it was used in the past in humans I think the dosing was 1-3mg/kg so 1-300mgs for a 100 kilo guy. Pound for pound it is weaker than test or a 19-nor say, but it's also lower in sides terms too which is beneficial. In terms of shutdown, I have always switched off at the same time as tren or deca and never experienced a shutdown difference.
Info is very limited, but if you look at molecular descriptions, it is very slightly heavier than enth or deca esters. so you could call it between 2-3 weeks, but like I say, personally I always factor 2 weeks. I do run very long PCT's though at times.
This said, I also understand that EQ metabolites stick around for a long time (horse and fighter doping testing results etc.), which implies that beyond the 2-3 weeks there is a very very slow taper off, but this will be insignificant when worrying about LH/FSH/PCT.
Many people will metabolise differently and can rid themselves of it quicker.
I always thought tren has a hard shutdown. Im rethinking that at the moment.
Thanks for the info.Enlighten me of your thoughts on tren.I read your post on 19 nor and find it interesting.I just finished a tren test cycle and shut down very bad.Extremely long pct with the help of a endo.Seems to be getting back to normal/ low but it's taken four months.Anyway thoughts appreciated.
I really like tren, but it has to be respected in traditional cycles. Its a strange compound, the differences between esters are the difference between a steroid and a steroids that itself is on steroids!
I think that classifying tren and deca under the same umbrella (19-nors) is completely pointless, because they couldn't be more different. Aromatisation/Lipolysis effects, etc.
But there are of course comparable things; tren-dick/deca-dick +perceived/actual shutdown issues.
I feel the majority of issues with tren, beyond the most obvious such as CV, BP and anxiety related issues, are most often misunderstood and part of a systemic issue where we include other exogenous substances like test, ai's, SERM's, GH's etc.
My 19-nor research/experiment took a pretty swift change in direction to Deca only. There is so little human research on it to give you enough ammo to take risks.
How did you restart your HPG? What way did you endo approach things?
I managed to shut myself down for just under a year once (hence my quest for non-traditional Bro knowledge, although all info sources gotta be considered!)
I've been on 500 iu of HCG eod and Clomid 50 mg a day for basically three months now.I found it odd he didn't want to use Nolvadex as well,but he claimed bloods said my estrogen was ok.Its been a rough one but I had been blasting and cruising for about three years.Truth is it probably isnt the tren that shut me down hard just that I was on so long.I started reading on here and everyone seems to say tren shuts you down so i may have just made my mind up that that was true.The truth is I love being on it.Especially after eight weeks.For me that's when the magic happens.
Yep that's it, duration and of course dose of anything that suppresses the HPG will all be factors. Yep look, its just the way it is. People read, get passionate and believe it or defend their position. It's human nature. Sometimes we are right, sometimes wrong, sometimes both! I guess it becomes most relevant when you hit a wall, as you and I did. Well done on getting it sorted though dude.
Especially after eight weeks
YES!!!! Big time! Once you hit that sweet spot with tren, wow!
Yes I find most people are stopping tren at eight weeks but I went sixteen.I'm not saying that the smart way,nor suggesting it for anyone else but the next eight fat was blazing.
Yes boss, gotta respect those sides!
It's such a tricky one to get right but if you do, it really is phenomenal
I always notice the scale stops moving and then creeps up at the slowest rate, but with fat dripping off at the same time (food dependent of course)
Um, not to understate the importance of PCT, but how would you know what protocol to use if the cycle wasn't planned beforehand? I think planning PCT before the cycle is backwards, if anything.
RustyhookerNot really. You should have pct in mind before ever hitting a cycle. Or planning a cycle. You get some bunk products, you'd better have extras on backup.
In mind, yes. Compounds should be on hand before starting, of course. But how could you know what doses are appropriate and when to start using it before the cycle is even laid out?
And duration... and backup plan...
You're both right though. All falls under 1 roof, they go hand in hand for an overall plan
This said, OP is looking for a cookie cutter
cookie cutter..... no such animal ...
Cookie cutters must be destroyed ;-)
LOL... well they are nice to use as a place to start but they certainly don't apply to everyone and they definitely become problematic when people choose to consider them as the be all and end all .... same goes with steroid profiles... nice guidelines but everyone is different and there are even non responders ...
You said it!
Nothing wrong with having a base to start from!
Non-responders, hyper-responders.... I think we gottem all in here!!
RustyhookerHe's on here posting. Pct falls short. This is planning. Right up top.
If I'm going harsh cycle, I'm modifying pct. And posting/planning as listed above. Any errors is lost money, time, size, efforts, learning, testing, proving, science of blood, food etc etc etc. But I'm looking at recovery as soon as I'm thinking chems.
"Also would like input on PCT. thanks guys"
First thing first what Brooklyn said is true
Second just to try to help you with research because this isn't going to go well.
Look into the amount of aromatase you will get from dbol and 600mgs of test also that tren is going to take receptor space from the test causing even more.
Then read about using an aromatase inhibitor. You will definitely need to atleast have one on hand.
You definitely need to research hcg and what happens while using it. That is honestly a really weird dosing schedule for hcg I don't know where you even got that from.
You should definitely start to research this cycle looks like you just read what these compounds do and liked what it said so you decided to run all of them.
Decide your goals
Plan your diet
Put that diet into effect until you naturally make gains
Keep researching learn what will really work for you and your goals
Read the side effects of the compounds not just the benefits.
Come back after around 15lbs of natty gains with a solid diet
Then I will be happy to help you reach your goals.
Good luck and good gains
For guys who are 5'10" and up, anything under 200 lbs is the cutoff point as far as I'm concerned, unless you're in bone dry contest condition. There's zero excuses to be 176 pounds after 2 cycles. The good news is you have a TON of room to grow. Without steroids.
Havent been on in over a year. Had a back injury and couldnt train for 6 months. Lost A LOT of mass and just trying to get back to where I was
Then it'll come back quickly and easily without the assistance. Muscle memory is very powerful. Then steroids can help put brand new mass on after that. See what I'm saying?
RustyhookerAge: 27
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 176
BF:
Dont need gear imo
Need food. Unless he's 6% bf at 176, that put him at 200ish at 10% or so.
Age: 27
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 176
BF: ??
Personally I think you should worry more about your diet and put on another 10 to 15 pounds before you worry about doing a cycle. That of course could change based upon your body fat. Could you let us know what your body fat percentage is so we can better help you please?
How many cycles have you run?
As far as this being a bulking cycle it is definitely not one.
1. EQ at 300mg is pointless
2. EQ for 12 weeks also pointless
3. Point of the Tren? And why 4 weeks?
4. Anavar while bulking.... seriously?
5. Where is your pct?
6. Do you know how to use Nolva?
Can you please tell us your total calorie intake while bulking. That includes protein, fat and of course carbs. If your cycle is this bad I can only imagine your diet is even worse. I'm not here to insult you but I can't help you without knowing what you're really plan on doing. At this point I'm going to assume your friend had somesome leftover gear and you're putting it all together and calling it a bulk. Because no one would ever buy what you bought and run it as a bulking cycle.
I agree with most of what you said, but about 2 years ago I had a serious coach, ex consultant for Phil Heath set up my prep ( got sick like 3/4 way in and didn't get to compete) and it was essentially 3 8 week phases bulk, to I guess a recomp/slight cut then into a real hard cut and the bulk was test deca anavar, actually a good combo, no ai, just provi and nolva until the last 8 weeks if I remember correctly as estrogen is incredibly anabolic and beneficial when trying to add size. I pretty much stick to that these days 10mg nolva And provi unless I'm cutting and trying to dry out. But on bulks unless I use dbol my only ai is provi. Pretty much every high level dude or pro I know don't use ais, Viking never did on 5 grams of gear. 3000mgs of test and 100mgs of dbol just some mast and provi to control estro a bit. Definitely a little more of an advanced. Technique. All the rest I totally agree.
Nice
BF is roughly 12-13%.
This would be my third Cycle.
Previous Cycles were Dbol/Test E and second was Dbol/Susa/Deca.
Posted on here figuring you guys would all have more exp and better advice for me. Dont have any of the gear in hand yet, wanted to get input before dishing out the $.
Meals are as follows;
Meal 1:
4 Whole eggs
2 Whites
1C Oats
4 tbsp PB
Banana
Meal 2: 1 scoop Serious Mass w/ water
4 tbsp PB
Meal 3: 2C rice
8 oz chicken
1C veggies
Meal 4: 8oz 93/7 Ground turkey
2C Rice
1C Veggies
Meal 5 same as meal 4
Get rid of the serious mass in favor for a better shake. I used to drink that shit, 280g of carbs from crap, maltodextrin and dextrose. I used to use this one 10lb bag and it was cheap and the carbs were all from oats and barley quinoa and sweet potatoes that's what you want if you can't have a meal. There's diff flavors I liked the chocolate but here's the link for some http://www.a1supplements.com/i-force-mass-gainz?gclid=Cj0KCQjwwqXMBRCDAR... These days I just grind up oats, some blueberry some blueberrry Greek yogurt (makes it taste better plus more protein) and add a cup of egg whites and then either a tbsp of olive or flax seed oil or some peanut butter and a scoop of whey and it's actually delicious. Easy 700-1000 cals of all whole and good food sources. 3 kinds of protein 2 kinds of carbs and a good source of fats. Doesn't take long to make either.
lol to be fair I guess that shake would put on "serious mass" since it spikes your insulin every time it's consumed. They're not saying it's mass you'll want haha
Just stole that recipe. Good shit brother
What's your total calories/protein/carbs on this plan? My cutting diet consist of more than your bulk diet does....
Roughly 3500 cals. 375-400Carbs and 225 Protein. But you also have 40 pounds on me so your diet will differ from mine
If this is your bulking cycle it's crap... first of all equipoise your just starting to get full effects at 9 weeks .. you need to scrap this
Makes me wonder if the EQ dose is just to make him eat like a horse. I seen people use it for that purpose and not for its value as an AAS. I wouldn't do it but I've seen it.
well what do you suggest then? Sust/ Deca and kickstart w/ drol?
List your prior cycle experience
First cycle was Dbol 30mg ED 1-4 ,and Test E 600mg/wk 1-12
Second was Dbol 30mg E/1-4 ,Sust 750mg/wk 1-12, Deca 375mg/wk 1-12