Pinning Advice
Hey all, looking for a little pro advice when it comes to pinning. Background info first. I'm 32, currently 230lbs. I've lost about 25 lbs of fat through dieting and exercising naturally over last 4 months. I've added back about 5 pounds in muscle. I'm in the gym 4 to 5 days a week doing everything I can as a family man to shred up. I've leaned up nicely and was looking to kick things up a notch with muscle gain and fat loss. So I've decided to get started with my first ever cycle. I'm going with a beginners dose of 250mg Test E weekly, pinned twice a week, 4 days apart.
Anyways, I did my first ever pin last night of 125mg Test E in half an ml. I pinned in the upper outer quadrant of my glute. I stuck the needle all the way in, about an inch. Slowly injected the oil, took about 45 seconds to a minute. The needle was an Excel brand needle. I have to check the gauge again. (A friend of mine who cycles gave them to me) The needle was sterile and perfectly wrapped in the factory sealed wrapping. So...
I must say at 20 hours later my ass is pretty sore. Not debilitating or anything. But it feels like a very painful bruise. Is this normal? It didn't hurt at all going in or during the injection. But being my first time I'm slightly concerned right now. Did I screw it up somehow? I used the same needle to pull the oil into the syringe and to inject. Is that a no-no? I also didn't heat up the oil since I was unsure of exactly how to heat it up. I'm sure you don't just hold a lighter to it. Besides, my Test came in a 29ml bottle. So I didn't know if I should keep reheating oil that won't get used for several months
By the way, I bought from a top 5 U.S. source that had really good reviews that were recent as well.
So if someone could take the time and break down the do's and dont's of pinning to me it would really help. I would be really appreciative of any guidance you more experienced gurus can offer me. Thanks in advance.
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Well f#!@ my life! Went to the doctor today exactly 60 hours after pinning. I have a full blown infection. Hurts like hell. I'm on two different antibiotics to take care of it before it abscesses. Serves me right for messing up the pin. Why do I always learn things the hard way...
You are lucky you went in when you did or you could be missing a large chunk of your ass now. Better brush up on your pinning protocol.
RustyhookerGood thing you went to Dr as advised.
I have an appointment at the doctor's office today. Red area is now shaped like a football, about 5 inches wide and 3 inches tall. The same size area is also like a knot and hard to touch. Pain is about the same maybe a little less this morning. Also still warm to touch. Going to see the doc, not taking any chances.
Here is an update guys. Still not sure if it's infected or not. I'm trying to give it time and not panic. Currently at 41 hours post injection. Pain is still there and may have subsided, but only slightly if at all. However the redness has expanded out into about a 3 inch diameter circle. That same size area also feels hard to the touch, like a welt or something. Also very warm to the touch. Still slightly swollen and raised. Given the update, you guys still think it's potentially normal pip signs for a first time user? Also, should I include picture? No homo... Think I am going to stop the cycle, check my gear, and filter the product before starting again.
Get your ass into the doc and get some antibiotics before its to late.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/sterile-abscess
I most certainly hope it's not that.
Sounds normal to me. Personally I would use a 1.5" needle. Probably virgin muscle. If your worried about the source then buy some whatman filters and filter out the oils into another sterile vial.
Couple of things- depending on your bf%, you might want to use a 1 1/4" or 1 1/2" 23 or 25 gauge needle for the glute to get deep enough. Always draw and inject with different needles. Be sure to clean the vial stoppers with alcohol for at least 30 seconds before drawing. Clean the injection site thoroughly with an alcohol wipe before injecting.
I experienced the same huge lump on my first injection and I am pretty sure it was a combination of not going deep enough and a sensitive reaction from virgin tissue
I found that heating the vials in a little warm water for about 10 minutes helped. Also, a warm shower before and after to warm the injection site helped immensely with the PIP. After a couple of weeks, I didn't notice it anymore.
If you plan on running future cycles with higher doses or multiple compounds, you should probably think about rotating injection sites. I usually cycle through glutes, ventro glutes, quads and shoulders. That way each site has plenty of time to heal between injections. Each site should have a week off between injections, if possible.
Thanks for the tips. I'm going to recheck all of my gear. Gauges, measurements, etc... I just went with what a friend gave me because he pins and it's what he uses. I am basically fact checking his advice with you all. Thanks again.
No problem. If you only have 1" pins, try the ventroglute. It's my favorite site for sure
Hi, so I am on my 1st cycle pinning twice a week as well. Every 84hrs to be exact and i have had sore muscles and lumps as well. Couple things ive learned so far. Get deep enough in the muscle. Im using a 1.5 " in my glutes and a 1 in quads. Dont massage it afterwards. Heat helps, my 1st quad injection crippled me for a week. The reason I believe was because i used a 22 gauge and pushed the oil in ti fast. Dont do that. Put my quad under a hot shower and could walk again. A piece of advice I read somewhere was not to pin in ur quad with the 1st draw from a new bottle. If its contaminated, an infection in ur glute will be easier to control than in the large quad muscle. I know u have the jugs but something to think about. Makes sense to me. Anyway slow and steady, im sure it has something to do with our virgin muscles as well. Mine are getting better im sure yours will as well. Good luck.
Last night, which was 24 hours post pin, was brutal. It was worse than the peanut butter shot I got when I went into the army. (That's what we called it because it hurt like hell and felt like they injected peanut butter into your ass cheek). The pain made that much harder to hide since I am hiding this cycle from the world, wife, kids, etc... I'll keep you posted.
I will spare you the lecture, you're gonna get plenty of that.
Use different needles to draw and pin.
You are currently attempting a trt dose of test. Do some REAL research before you stick another needle in your body.
My first pin ever was 300 mg of test e, it looked and felt like a baseball was stuck in my ass cheek. Extreme pain for a week.
There are plenty of step by step guides to pinning here, find them and read them. I got lazy pinning one time and almost died, barely kept my leg- check my profile... this shits no joke.
Titsonmyman69You believe 250mg is a trt dose? What test levels would expect to see from 250? Hoping >1500
250 is indeed a low dose cycle. Should have you well out of "normal range"
Yes PIP (which is what you are experiencing) is normal. Now go research everything you possibly can on pip and injections sites and techniques before you pin another pin!
I apologize, I was not correct in saying that. I was just trying to say 250/week is lower than a common cycle. Lower than I was advised for my first cycle.
Look man. I'm not looking for any of the condescending macho man bullshit you constantly find on these forums. I'm simply looking for advice/opinions from experienced users. I have done research. Which is why I know I want to keep my first cycle at 250mg a week, eventually paired with 50mg Var daily. I actually used to suffer from low T, so I got the lectures from the doctor about the average natural weekly testosterone production. About TRT and the average 100-150mg weekly injections. I have been able to naturally raise my testosterone to 562mg on my last labs. So please offer your expertise if you think you can help. If not, please save your snide comments for another forum. Thanks.
He didn't say anything macho bullshit what he told you was the truth. And I'm not sure if I'm reading this right but if you think adding small amount of testosterone to what your levels are now to give you a boost that is not how it works you will be shutting down your natural test and replacing it with synthetic test. Also it's not 562mg it's 562ng/dl anyways for your questions yes your muscles will be sore as fuck till the muscle gets used to it and like he said above use 1 needle to pull and a different needle to pin always use alcohol wipes and I'll even give you a tip to make it not hurt as bad warm your gear up not in the microwave use a heat pad
Yeah, was kinda out of line. I sent him a pm apologizing. I'm super scared right now. I shouldn't have pinned myself first time. Should've had my buddy do it. He talked me through it like it was the easiest thing in the world. I was extremely nervous and shaking. I forgot he mentioned using different needles to push and pull. I also forgot he said to aspirate, though he didn't use that terminology. Now I don't know if it's pip or infected or something.
As for my test levels, I was looking to have blood work done after 4 weeks. I'm looking to essentially triple my test levels. If 250mg weekly wasn't enough I was going to up it to 500mg. But what do I know...
Don't worry man your fine it will just be hurting for like 5 days aspirate you can do it if you want my doctor doesn't even do it cause it's such a small chance so I don't do it either. If your gear is dosed correctly I believe you should be close to 1100-1200 but only bloods will tell. I also pinned my first time by myself I did it in my quad was just a easier spot for me. You should pin once a week the full 250 until you get better at pinning and make sure you rotate what muscles you pin in its safer. I wouldn't worry at all though about your first injection it's just a virgin muscle it's going to hurt like hell till it gets used to it
I don't know man. I think you should ALWAYS aspirate. It might be a small chance, but if you inject in a vein, you could die.
Ok. So, let's say this is normal pip and it's just my virgin glute. Is the swelling normal too? It's not crazy but definitely a noticeable difference.
Oh, I thought the esther in the Test E meant I have to inject every four days. That's what everyone has been telling me, plus what I've read this far. You saying I can get away with doing it once a week?
Pinning every 4 days just keeps blood levels more level my first cycle I pinned 500mg test Enanthate once a week I believe the half life is 7-10 days. I'd just keep a eye on your glute you said you were a little shaking probably just irritated it and swelled up a bit I pinned my delt and had a lump on it for a couple days then it went away I wouldn't worry unless it starts getting bigger harder and hot to the touch warming it with a hot pad might help out also
Thanks for the info and advice. I'll keep everyone updated on how everything goes.