posted Sat, 05/14/2016 - 13:00
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Parabolan Cycle
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I'm planning on my next cycle to be Parabolan(tren hex) 300/wk 12wks, and test cyp 500/wk 14wks. I know that it is a 19nor cycle so I'm going to run the Power PCT. My question is, should I run anything concurrent with it (i.e... Caber, Ai or SERM)? I still have about 3 months till I run this cycle, just trying to get everything I will need beforehand. My goal is to gain a little more mass and cut. It's hard to eat to grow mass and cut but I'm going to keep my diet very clean.
About a month ago I came off a Deca Test e cycle. Before that I ran a couple of test only cycles.
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RustyhookerTest deca and oral is all about mass. Just finished test npp and hit the heaviest I've ever been. Full pump all day and fast recovery.
Tren worked nice on leaning me out, strength boost and recovery. But I didnt gain as much mass as I'd hoped. After few weeks I start thinking in a jealous and introverted manner. Tren a is out of system quickly. Easier to adjust or drop.
Alright... Tren is out... I'll run another deca test cycle should I throw dbol into the mix? If so run the same on the deca that I did before (400/wk) and how much on the dbol?
On a side note... I needed more nolvadex to make sure I had enough for this past PCT so I've already purchased the tren(I had to make a min order)... How long is the shelf life on this stuff? Will it keep in glass stopper bottles until next spring when I want to lean out? This is the main reason I didn't want to change... But if it's not going to get me where I want... Why try it. Thanks
RustyhookerGearhead has ya on time. Sealed, cool and dark spot is the ticket.
Dbol....I used to run it really low and did well but that was when I was younger. It's out of the system quickly so adjusting isn't a problem. If its top shelf dbol 40-50 should be plenty. Some guys cut back to 25 because water retention and bp. Watching salt helps on retention of course.
Biggest deal as you know is your workouts and foods. Gear is speedy recovery but the foods gives you what you need for success. Just like gasing up a racecar.
Hey bro, I know I was pretty hard on you. Most folk just won't listen. They post on the fora the way you did and announce to us what they are going to do no matter what and just look for a senior member to agree with them so they can feel justified in doing something that is not constructive. I will give you 2 karma points (that's all I can) for being sensible. It's rare. The folk that contribute here on the board don't spend time lying to new members. The Tren you ordered will last for years at room temperature out of the light. Now, just so you know - it will gradually darken as it ages wherever you store it. When you get it, if it was produced with the right temperature control at the lab, it will be a light piss color. But, even when you get it, if it's dark or ruby color it's still good, so don't fret about it and it will still last for years.
Dbol run 50 mg weeks 1-4 and you can break it up 2 or even 3 times a day for stable blood levels and I would save some for the end of the cycle and run it also weeks 10-12.
I appriciate the advice... Some people are hard headed... I'm one of those people except when it comes to this type of stuff... I found a pretty decent looking cycle that was posted a few years ago... I will change it just a little( like keeping deca at 400/wk) but here it is:
https://www.eroids.com/og/intermediate-cycles/cycle-test-deca-bulking-cycle
Ill run this tren someday and make sure I get some ace to test out first to make sure I don't lose my shit. But for now... Deca dbol test it is... I really liked the last deca cycle, it just took the typical 5-6 weeks before I saw much of anything. Sounds like the dbol should speed up the size part. Thanks again
RustyhookerIt is nice having an op with open mind.
Tren is NOT the best option for gaining mass. You can but it tends to feed on muscle glycogen and is a carb pig and you have to eat for it. Bro, honestly, if you are asking if you need an AI or DA on Tren, you don't know a lot about the drug. It would also be quite sensible to order and try some Tren A before you stick a rig of long ester Tren in your ass, don't you think? Tren is one of the only psycho active steroids there are. You may find it makes you terribly uncomfortable so you need to test that first. Also, Parabolan was taken off the market by Negma Labs in 1997 I believe because of toxicity issues with the hexahydrobenzylcarbonate ester. I would run Tren E but Deca is a better option here anyways. Test Deca dbol is the standard bulk stack dating back to the 1970's and still is today.
I am just mystified about the magic everyone expects from Trenbolone. I love the stuff and use it all the time. But, it is a vet product made for farmers to fatten cattle headed for slaughter. Deca at least was developed for human use. LOL
EDIT: Ya, I almost forgot. Tren has a habit of crashing your T3. It may not with you, but it's common and it does with me. So, I have to supplement to use it otherwise I can't get out of bed in the morning to work notwithstanding going to the gym. Bro, I would not start playing with thyroid meds either at this stage in your career. Scrap the Tren idea. You have your whole life to play around with it if your dead set on it. You already have experience with Deca so you know what that can do. If you want to have fun with 19-nors look into Trestolone (MENT). I like that stuff but I don't think a lot of members here use it. Way down the road, bro. Think DECA!
I'm on here asking questions because I haven't been able to find a ton of info on it. If I could call up my doctor and ask his advice, I would... But that's not the case with this type of stuff. I'm new to this I'll admit, but on one website you read one thing and on another it says exactly the opposite. I know that I should probably run an Ai because of the high dose of test that I'm running with it. But what dosages of the Ai do I run? On the other hand I've read that estro inhibitors and Ai will reduce your gains during cycle. Once again... Why I'm on here, to learn from those that have been there done that. At the same time I appriciate the advice about tren... I've read about the tremendous gains off of tren which is why I'm running it. I will limp into it due to your warning about it being harsh... Should I cut it back a hundred or so for the first couple of weeks to make sure I can handle it?
Bro, whoever is writing about tremendous mass gains off Tren is a moron. You're not listening. It is not a mass drug. In fact, using it may make it all that much harder for you to gain mass. Cutting back is not going to help if you are sensitive to its psych characteristics. You need to test it with a short ester. I can see that you are not going to take my advice. Fine. What the fuck would I know?
But Tren is a PROGESTIN. It feeds off estrogen. If you don't control estro your prolactin levels may rise quite high. Hence the DA. You've heard of bitch tits from Test? Gyno? Tren gyno is a whole other world of misery.
Tren is out. I definitely don't want gyno... I'm going to start doing some research on test deca dbol cycle... I had already bought the tren is why I don't want to abandon it... You can read why in my reply to rusty... Thanks for the advice man... I wasn't trying to be a dick or say you didn't know what you were talking about... With as many points as you have you've obviously been there done that.
Hotbody29That's just it you have to pick are you gaining mass or cutting??
Well I gained a good deal of mass off my last cycle but also increased a few % points in BF. But my diet was about 85% clean... I couldn't stay away from the peanut butter and honey. I'm all about gaining mass over leaning up this year. I'm getting my diet in line now that I'm off and carry it over into the cycle(adding more lean protein and cleaner carbs). I'm just mainly concerned about what to run in conjunction with what I'm planning on running.