posted Sat, 04/16/2016 - 13:55
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I have a week left in a deca (400/wk 1-13) test e (500/wk 1-11) cycle with Nolva on standby. The problem is I accidentally lost my last 2mls of test e to complete wk 13. I have test cyp on hand. Can I run test c for the last week? I know they are different so I was wondering if that would jack up my PCT. I'm running clomid for PCT week after next. Prior to this I have run two test only cycles before this, started at 300/wk(12wk) then a 400/wk(12wk). I have had great results from this cycle. Can't wait to start my next! Thanks for any info you guys have!
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I would run test at least two weeks longer than deca regardless. Deca likes to hang around, better start getting it out of your system before you abandon the test unless you want deca dick.
Yeah. I put the wrong weeks on each. That's why I was asking if I could run the test c for week 13, I've already dropped the deca. I will try to edit the post. I wrote it from my phone... I'm just glad I caught all the autocorrects. Thanks for the input though.
Have you drawn any labs for this cycle? What were they? Test E and Test C only differ by one day in half life so switching to cyp is no big deal. Your PCT is very lacking for a 19 nor. You did not do enough research brother.
Look up Power PCT and get you some HCG. You can start injecting that at 2000 UI every other day for 16 days. That's shots total. This will wake up FSH and LH quicker than any other method. I will let you do some homework on this and post any questions you may have. This PCT has always worked for me.
I've read to add vitamin d to it as well, any benefit to that in your opinion. So I need at least 16,000IU OF HCG. How long after my last test shot should I start?
I am not sure on the Vit D...that is something I will have to research. I start mine about three days after my last shot of Test. Remember it's only every other day for 16 days so 8 shots. I had to go back to one of my old books (an actual book), to double check the dose. It is actually 2500 IU every other day. So 20,000 total. Thats about 4 vials.
Timber is right it is suppressive to the HPTA but in large quantities over time. That's why its only 16 days. It mimics LH kick starting the rest of the negative feedback loop. Anyhow, stick to the plan and you will be alright.
Actually, HCG is suppressive to HTPA function and hence LH and FSH secretion. The power pct uses it in early PCT to directly activate the testes by mimicking LH function. That's why it's dropped and then the Serms added once the testes themselves have been jump started. Not trying to sound like an ass, but I think it's important to know that HCG is suppressive to HTPA. That's why some guys say don't use it in PCT, but I think the logic and research behind the power pct is compelling.
I have not. I was going to run labs before I sarted my next cycle, but that won't be for another few months. Is there a particular reason I should run them now, other than to make sure my gear is legit? I have researched the hell out of this cycle... That's why I had the Nolva(just in case it started going south) and the multitude of other things like how much and what days and time to pin where and how to pin(that doesn't hurt like a mofo(quads are my favorite but not the crowd favorite)). Just didn't do enough PCT research. The unfortunate thing about this is that there are so many differing opinions, not just on here but on a bunch of other sites. I'm sure most of the guys on here know their stuff because they have been there done that... But it is difficult to sift through the bullshit. I really appriciate the advice and will check into the Power PCT.
100/50/50/50 I have Nolva20mg. I can adjust to same clomid and 20mg Nolva ed for 4wks. Thoughts?
100/100/50/50 clomid.
40/40/20/20 nolva.
That's the standard on here.
Can't see why you would run both Clomid and Nolva since they perform the same job. I'd prefer Nolva since it is stronger and is accompanied by less side effects (safer).
40/40/20/20 Nolva
25/25/25/25 Aromasin
Wrong answer.
No Right or Wrong. Good or Better
http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/aromasin-nolvadex-pct.html
Exactly. All I see on here lately is crap advice unless it's coming from a small group of guys. +1 thanks for coming back and being one of those giving sound advice.
Anyone jumping onto this forum could have more real life experience than yourself. You never know. It's one thing to listen to someone who looks like an expert, who might've got their advice from someone else. It's another thing if you've actually ran extensive PCT yourself and know from personal experience.
Appreciate it fuse.
Standard pct is nolva and clomid. And running aromasin at that dose will kill someone's estro. Low estro is almost as bad as high estro or estro rebound. Not good advice -1
Clomid and Nolva do the exact same thing. Don't want to challenge conventionalism but sometimes you have to when there are better ways. You're saving money when you use Nolva since you don't have to use as much as Clomid to get the desired effect. Use an AI that complements it such as Aromasin and they will both effectively do their job.
25mg of Aromasin for 2 weeks can raise your natural test levels as fast as possible while suppressing your estrogen. Not to the point where your estrogen will be dangerously low but to the point where your body will fight harder to recover your test.
Damn... I need to get more nolva... Haha! The just-enough bug got me again. I only have 4wks of 20mg/ed. I had bought it just in case I started to dev gyno during my cycle. Guess I have 3 weeks to get some more.
Have you been taking Nolva while on Deca? That'a a no no in my opinion. Nolva increases prolactin while suppressing estro. So taking it thinking you are addressing gyno because of high E2 could be counterproductive. You should have been taking caber along with the deca and an AI, not a SERM.
No I had the Nolva just in case I started to develop gyno. If that happened, I was just going to drop the deca, run two more weeks of test and add 40mg Nolva ed and stop altogether then run clomid 100/50/50/50.
Lesson learned. That's why I have test C(I bought extra for my next cycle). I have both Nolva and clomid on hand so I can adjust the PCT.
What PCT are you following?
And I haven't really had any issues with my natural test levels bouncing back taking clomid only after test only cycles.
You're not running test only, 19-nor recovery is not as simple and you will be shutdown hard. Run clomid/nolva.
Whoa... My bad... Other way around... Deca 11... Test 13
Had me worried there. Your PCT needs work, clomid & nolva, minimum 4 weeks. You can replace the E with C.
Learn your lesson, never order "just enough."
Wait wait wait. Are you running deca longer than test? Your PCT is only clomid?