Noob. cycle problems
Alright guys im new to this site but i felt i need to post this to try to get as much help as i can.
I jumped into doing cycles at a young age of about 21. now i am 26. I have ran test e, dbol, anadrol, winny, deca. None of which i ever had sides or any problems with. All of those i recovered with no problem at all.
So the guy i get my gear from told me to try a test p, tren ace cycle. and like an idiot i am i trusted his judgement. i ran test p 700/weel and tren ace 500/ week. about half way through my cycle i started to notice i had a little less libido than normal which ended up going down even more. so i told him about it and he said drop the tren ace and i did and i am still currently on test prop. but now i have absolutely no libido. even with my girlfriend naked rright next to me. if somehow i do get it up it goes back down almost instantly..
i know i am gonna get bomb barded for doing it wrong and not researching but i was hoping to have some input. thanks any input would be greatly appreciated
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Anonredsnow, heres another thread that may be of interest to you.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/when-bro-science-disagr...
scootertrampYessir,, i read your post from three hours ago. Both our posts sound alike. So I'm lost with the question. The posting person can eadily assist by answering the list on both our posts. And in any case we both know that prolactin is guaranteed elevated. He used tren. We both agree that his anti estrogen is suspicious. Sore joints is low estro and so is climax failure. So if his joints are like "popcorn", then his anti estrogen IS working.
Sounds like we both covered the same ground
my joints are fine, they havnt been bothering me at all. for some reason i have some intense crazving for sugar. its like almost uncontrollable. i dont know if that would be related to this or not.
scootertrampPrivatemedlabs.com . Get full screen of hormones including prolactin.
AnonHahaha yes I agree that we agree
I will say however that its easy to say "get some Caber" , but unfortunately as you know its not always that easy to find, which is why I mentioned it, but was hoping there might be other things he could or should do that would be easier thats all.
I have sore joints no matter what my estro is :( but thats another story conan !
scootertrampHopefully the poster will pm you for help. There's several great caber places i saw when i went thru the posted lab results. Apologies if i got you heated. Typing doesn't always convey ones thoughts properly.
scootertrampClearly an issue of prolactin. Get the cabergoline(dostinex) coming asap. Privatemedlabs.com for bloodwork.. Female hormone panel for $60 and make sure you add prolactin screen. Start your cabergoline asap at .25 every third day.
How does your joints feel? Achy? Sore? If not then your adex is suspicious, which blood tests will reveal.
Nuts shrivelled? If not then i definitly would NOT add HCG.. HCG converts highly into estrogen and you'll have yet more problems.
whats the exact name of the test? im not seeing a female hormone test,,
scootertrampLeft side of the screen is a TON of dropdowns. Female hormone test. The male or female test still will show your estrogen and testosterone levels but the female panel is much cheaper in cost.
scootertramphttp://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_tests.php?category=6&view=category_result
the female hormone panel and add prolactin test. Call us toll-free at 1-877-283-7882.
AnonWith 700 and 500 a week of test and tren respectively do you not think his nuts are way shut down ?
If he has bunk AI and replaces it like I had suggested , it will easilly handle some conversion from HCG. So high estro ,prolactin or not ,surely it seems as if 700 a week of test would have his boys turned off at the least.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/hcg-what-is-it...
either way,with no bloods, no caber, no second choice of AI, no hcg hes got several complications.
scootertrampFrom personal experience, my nuts stay full but since everyone reacts differently thetes many questions to ask. It surely would be Nice if one shoe fit all
. If his nutts aren't shrivelled then why would you add hcg?? Shutdown is eminant on any cycle but the hcg during cycle(if needed) keeps the boys plump. So adding it just to add it complicates the assesment.
Joints are a great tattletale of low estro symptoms and blood tests is the only true test. But estrogen and prolactin have very different actions/reactions. At the level of anti estrogen he's claimed to be running, I'd be in pain.
To sum it up, the posting person needs to fill in the blank questions or we are all throwing darts at a wall.
Anondid you see my initial post 5 down from here 3 hours ago ?
AnonGo get bloods like my boys have said..so we can pin point it... but i bet you have a prolactin problem.... you need caber... deca or tren should not enter the body without this
You dont nee d. Tren to get results you want
X2. Could be low or high estro too, but I'm shooting for prolactin issue too. Caber isn't going to hurt you so get some ASAP and bloods as soon as you can.
start dosing b6 300mg 2xday for an otc prolactin control. l-dopa will help surpress prolactin as well. get a blood test and if you levels are elevated get your hands on some caber or prami asap
i cant seem to find a legit source with caber or prami. and what exact test do i ask for?
Anonno libido is primarily going to be an estro or prolactin issue.
Yes you deffinitely need a blood test and you wont be able to figure this out without one.
That being said in the mean time get a different brand of AI. I have had arimidex from three different sources and they all worked differently even though they were all 1mg dose. You may be taking an AI but is it bunk ?
I feel like the AI i was using is a good source. they are in the top 5. never heard any reviews about them
AnonAi should always be pharma grade
AnonWell I trust my source too, but mistakes happen and they are still buying the ingredients elsewhere.
Just a thought and it doesnt take much to order up some adex from another source.
Anyway you know something is out of whack. Sorry if I missed it but what was your dose and frequency ?
.5 everyday
Anonwell you know you need to get measured, but in the mean time bump that to 1mg ed for this week only, and see if you start to have any change.
I assume you are prepared for PCT with your clomid and nolva. Now there are some that might not agree with me, but I have found a periodic blast of clomid to help out. 1 week at 100mg per day.
Have you been using HCG during your cycle at all ?
no i havnt ran any hcg. and yes i have clomid and nolva on hand
Anonok you have a big list of things to do today.
1st order blood test for Estro E2 and prolactin
2nd get some HCG !!!
3rd optional while you are ordering some HCG get another batch of arimidex or aromasin. Your body may
respond better to aromasin
4th get some viagra , a broken sex life will start to fuck with your head take the viagra or cialis as needed
till you get this sorted out
5th Look in to Caber, its expensive and you may or may not need it, but your prolactin test will tell you
Get that HCG running at 500 mg every 4 days, and run the clomid for one week. Your balls must have decided to go in to early retirement, you should have been keeping them stimulated. Your test and tren has probably done a good job of shutting things down.
26
5'11''
215lbs
12%BF
no, no bloodwork was ever taken.
like i said i trusted him like an idiot.
and the AI was armidex .5ED
and i havnt started my pct yet
Stats
Age: ?
Height: ?
Weight: ?
BF: ?
Also, have you had any bloodwork to confirm your hormonal levels pre/intra/post cycle?
And what AI are you running and what's your PCT?
no, no bloodwork was ever taken.
like i said i trusted him like an idiot.
and the AI was armidex .5ED
and i havnt started my pct yet
26
5'11''
215lbs
12%BF
IMO, estrogen is either too low or too high. Symptoms of low and high estrogen are very similar as you can see from the following article written by dossier31 and myself: AI: as needed or necessary? (By: Dossier and P)
High Estrogen Symptoms:
• Fluid retention and weight gain
• Fluctuations in body temperature
• Adult acne
• Depression, apathy, irritability and aggression due to a hormonal imbalance
• Decrease libido or impotence
• Prostate issues (inflammation or cancer)
• Gyno
Low Estrogen Symptoms:
• Fatigue
• Weight gain
• Hot flashes and night sweats
• Depression, apathy, irritability and aggression due to a hormonal imbalance
• Insomnia or restless sleep
• Headaches
• Low libido or impotence
• Stiffness or joint pain
• Anxiety
• Heart palpitations
• Adult acne
And without proper bloodwork figures we can't make a solid recommendation...
Ill have to get a blood test, in the mean time what is your recommmendation if you have one.
could i have been taking too much armidex?
AnonAt .5 per day absolutely!!!!!
Do you have joint issues? joint pain, lack of lubrication in between joints? as well as impotence?
There's a possibility that your estrogen may be too low. Low estrogen causes joint pain through minimal joint lubrication, fatigue, weight gain, hot flushes, night sweats, depression, mood swings, apathy, irritability, agression, hormonal imbalances, insomnia, poor sleeping patterns, headaches, low libido, impotence, anxiety, heart palpitations, acne among other low estrogen related side effects. Our goal, with the use of an AI, is to make sure our estrogen is managed...not too low and certainly not too high... to replicate a state of homeostasis.
im not taking the armidex anymore. i do have some insomnia, and i get winded easily now and anxiety. no joint pain that i know of. should i stay on some test without any AI cause i dont want to get off and be even more broken than i am..
I would drop the tren altogether and keep on the test at the same dosage. Change up your AI dosing protocol, 0.25mg EOD and monitor your sides from there. If you see that your nipples begin to get puffy, then your estrogen is too high and you need to go back to 0.5mg ED. However, if you feel that your back to normal on this new dosing protocol, then your estrogen was previously too low. Update this thread, or make a new one in a few days time...
i dropped the tren over a month ago and still nothing. i even quit using the adex cause i thought it was the problem. and i am still on the test prop think of swwitching to test cyp.
are you going to pickup some cabe or prami? if u needa prami source pm me
ok i jst did