Posted a new thread would like input in my other one. I have a proper PCT, please refer to my new post. I am stupid man and I don't like how everyone is assuming that. I would like to incoporate orals AAS or oral PH in my cycle. They are worth more to me then A) throwing them away or B) parting them out for like $200.

I don't DRINK haven't ran a cycle in almost 1.5 years.

Thanks for the input, I'm not totally clueless about hormonal products but who have replied in here tend to think I know nothing. I will get my levels checked when I have a opportunity. I want to compete high level in bodybuilding I'm not just a gym goer by any means. I posted cycle assist because it helps with acne, blood pressure, liver protection, etc. it's a nice addition that is not very costly. Made my competitive edge labs based on the profile it is one of the best OTC products ive seen. To everyone else about my age I wa fully aware what I was doing- powerlifting on a national stage setting records is a huge accomplishment. I was eager to use then to get to that next level. But I waited, decided to not use the gear for a while. Now almost 24 years old I need to start here soon if I wanna compete in the highest ranks of the NPC bodybuilding. I really apperticate the cycle advice as well and will take everything that everyone has said into consideration.

Devin

I've came on this site looking for advice, reason I have the prohormones is because in case I am able not able to obtain the real gear I wanted backups. And also before I knew how my shoulder would turn out. There was one point where I didn't know if I would ever recover. I came to this place referred by others and I enjoy being here. There shouldn't be sly remakes containing to prohormones they have their place and I firmly believe that just like orals and how they have theirs. Both can be used in conjunction with injectablea as yet arethe most beneficial.. And I listed exactly what I would believe ....most start with test E and stack an oral..hell most ppl dont even know about pct or how to dose pct. you would never see me coming for advice at the last second begging for help. I have all my pct and all my on cycle support and I everything I need in that regard along with the usuals such as fish oil and joint support and multi vitamin. Please help properly critique my ideas and be productive and conducive to proper learning. Dont tear me down with remarks such has "ultra poor muscle", "probably only kept ten", etc, etc. def was not expecting remarks like this, us users of the gear don't need to be the stereotype ass holes. Not that I am saying anyone is but thats the stereotype. So if you could please help / be individuals that I could bounce ideas off of.

Two cycles approx 1.5 years apart.

First cycle - Americellular labs tren extreme: 8 weeks long, 90 mgs daily, OTC PCT ( we all learn).
Second cycle - Competetive Edge Labs x-tren, Competetive edge labs phera plex: 6 week bridge 90 mgs daily tren, pher plex 30 mgs and one week at 45 mgs, full pct, crushed estrogen in PCT using 6bromo had delayed onset gyno. Because of this will use AI throughout future cycles and PCT if needed. I think you assumed I stacked crazy amount, not a normal college student by any means. Never went over bottle instructed doses, never drank while on cycle heck I never drink period, never smoked in my life. I can get a panel done. Smoke important facts - was born at 27 1/2 weeks out of 40 weeks, don't know if this has an impact or not. Have a father who was a smoker and drinker and had quad bypass at age 47. Had a grandfather die at 50 due to heart complications. I take my health very seriously and I will admit my original idea of a cycle was unnecessary and dangerous. Please read my current replies to other people's post in this thread. I do appreciate all the responses and input and "tough love".

Liv 52 DS was my PCT liver protection, while on cycle I would use Liver Care by Himalya it's the US version of liv 52 DS would dose at 4 caps daily throughout entire cycle. Also don't drink or smoke if that makes a huge difference. I am a senior in the dietetics program and I'm very well aware of the importance of diet and training. Had a full panel done about 1.5 years ago and everything checked out as of then. My example was just an idea not a set in stone cycle, I also came to this forum for advice and I apperticate all advice given so far. Reason I suggested tren is because I reacted very well : 34 lbs in six weeks on my first 8 week cycle, 25 in 5 weeks on my second run (had a battle with the stomach flu).

I've answered your questions about cycle history and I've admitted my mistake in my original cycle and I've posted a good new cycle that I constructed. Thanks for the input and advice as I honestly do apperticate it a lot.

Cycle:

Weeks 1-12 test e, 250mg twice weekly
Weeks 2-10 tren (ph) if acceptable: 90/90/90/90/120/120/150/150

pct starts two to three weeks after my last test e injection. Want to rotate sites to prevent sorness, always use clean needle, alcohol wipe and sterilize area before injection. Most injections are done Sunday / Thursday.

Thanks devin

Years lifting - 5, years powerlifting - 3, years bodybuilding - 2. Accomplished a lot in powerlifting (local records, state records, national records and several world records). I may have been an dumb ass with all the orals not a clear cycle that I should do. I do know most cycles are 12-15 weeks usually at 250mg twice weekly Sunday / Thursday Test E. could someone be kind enough to explain to me how a nice dose of a non methylated oral 19nor tren would not be beneficial to run along with Test e? Tren yields some awesome strength and body compositional changes. I've ran tren twice once solo and once with phera plex. As I posted above gained 34 in six weeks and 25 in five weeks when comparing cycle 1 an cycle 2. I do also know having PCT on hand is a must before cycle is even considered which I've went above and beyond in that respect (full pct, full on cycle support, full range of AI's, Cabergoline). This must count for something in terms o my knowledge. If I were to redo my cycle I would have: test e 250mg x twice weekly for 12 weeks, tren weeks 2 thru 10. Also a note Ive never smoked and don't drink at all. I believe my stress on my liver is minimal due to these factors. I hope you all don't think I'm as dumb as you all originally assumed. I was rushed when making my first post in this section.