NEED HELP!!!!
So I'm currently in my 6th week of my cycle which looks like this:
Test Cyp 300mg E3D week 1-14
Deca 200mg E3D week 1-14
TBol 50mg daily week 1-6
Proviron 40mg daily
Caber .5mg E3D
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
HCG 500iu's 2x's weekly week 9-14
I'm 28 years old and this is my third cycle. I weight 216 and I'm down to around 9% bf. I was feeling great and now all of the sudden my libido is COMPLETELY GONE!!! I'm having absolutely no morning wood and really have no interest at all. I had labs done last week and here were my results:
Testosterone, Serum >1500 HIGH 348-1197 ng/dL
LH 0.1 LOW 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL
FSH <0.2 LOW 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL
Estradiol 41.6 7.6-42.6 pg/mL 01
Now I know my E2 is on the higher side so i took 1 dose of 25mg aromasin one day and then continued back on my 12.5mg EOD since then. Can somebody PLEASE help me figure out whats going on here?
I've also been monitoring my blood pressure which is sometimes slightly elevated (135/90) but normally pretty good. Also, I've been eating a good clean diet and training 5 days a week (being sure to take my rest days and not over train.) Any help would be greatly appreciated.......
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I agree with all the points made below.
I have had prolactin even creep up on high test, though, without ED sides.
Deca is NOTORIOUS for this shit, bro. When the cycle is over and it finally clears your system, you will be back to normal.
I don't think anybody fully understands why exactly nandrolones do this. Deca is the worst, with Tren not lagging far behind.
Get bloods, take the suggestions you were given, but if you still don't end up feeling right on cycle, chalk it up to experience.
When I run deca, I know what's coming with deca dick and no libido and such so it doesn't freak me out anymore. My wife understands this as well, so she doesn't get all bent out of shape over it either.
Good Luck bro.
Right on man. I'm going to get labs done again early next week and make sure the prolactin is included in those. Thanks for your input!
Ever check your psa when you get bloodwork? If you are having prostate issues it can be a factor in causing ED.
Its because you do not dose aromasin eod, why does everyone do that? You take aromasin Every fkn day its half life is 24 hours meaning it is GONE in 24 hours. Do you inject your test once every 2 weeks? In order to stabilize the levels it has to be taken every day.
RustyhookerHis estro is fine. But yes, he could half dose ed for less fluctuations
you think 12.5 mg ED is too much?? Maybe just 1/4 of a 25mg pill ED instead?
Do a Google search and look up dosing for breast cancer or dosing for men, do not click on the links from other aas websites. You will see the normal dose for cancer patients is 25mg a day, not eod or e3d. Why do you think that is? The worst thing that happens is you drop to 20nl which is very low but that's with 25mg a day. Just take the 12.5,and go get a blood test to see what is happening. You will not have any idea what is working or not without one so I'm really not sure why you keep asking the same questions when that is the answer? There is no right or wrong answer the blood test will tell you if it's too high/low.
It's crazy how much better I feel just after 5 days of 12.5 mg ED rather than EOD. My E2 was clearly my issue. Thanks for all your help bro. Getting blood tests monday to be for sure
I was taking it EOD because "half life" of 24 hours doesnt mean its GONE in 24 hours. It actually just means there is 50% left after 24 hours, 25% after 48 hours, 12.5% after 72 hours and so on. With that being said it "should" build up in your system after a week or so and maintain steady levels. I definitely don't think dosing ED would hurt anything so I will try that and see what happens.
The point was your body starts to reproduce e2 right away it doesnt wait so the levels will start to go up to compensate. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor so the body will start producing E2 immediately.
In your opinion (I realize everybody is different) do you think 12.5mg ED is a solid dose? I just don't want to completely kill my E2 which I've done before and it fucking sucked.
12.5 ed is a conservative dose, it will not kill your E2 completely, do that for a week and get bloods drawn or else you are shooting a gun with your eyes closed.
I agree. The aromasin dosing is off
I also don't like deca dosed E3D, especially at a 3/2 ratio. Your deca had a much longer ester than your test-e/c and it will start to build up (pool) weeks down the road. Actually right where you're at. I would rise the deca at once a week and that should help fix things.
so maybe just 350mg once per week?
You misunderstood me. Keep the milligram the same, just change it to once a week.
oh ok makes sense. Thanks man
Talk about a roller coaster ride of emotions, happy one day sad the next.
Same post over here - https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/please-help-2...
Try make only one post please fella.
my bad man. My computer fucked up and i thought the other one didn't...I will make sure to get it taken down. Anyways I appreciate your help man
I'd definitely get that estro level down a bit. It's not massively high but on a deca cycle I would prefer to keep it lower. Now you should also note that your test to deca ratio is less than 2:1 which is fine for some but in other this may mean they experience libido issues. Upping the test dose or lowering the deca dose may help. You also have made no mention of prolactin levels. You need to get this tested and if prolactin is high - a definite possibility on deca - you need to up your caber dose to get this under control. High prolactin is a libido killer.
By the way you are stopping your deca and test at the same time but the deca ester means you will have deca in your system when your test levels drop to zero making you feel like shit and probably killing out libidos furrher. I would run the tests c for 2 weeks longer. Then wait 2 weeks and PCT. Wich you haven't mentioned. You should make sure you're running a sufficient PCT for long enough to give you the best change of recovery which can be a bitch from deca.
P.S. Update your stats to include BF.
That's a good point about stopping deca Early. I ran deca at same length as test when I was younger and that was worst couple of months of recovery. I never ran longesterrd deca again. I just recently tried npp and I love it. To me, that's the way to go.
thanks for all that help. I think I will definitely lower my deca down just a bit and then stop 2 weeks before the test. I forgot to mention that I do have a proper PCT planned out as well which i will start 2 weeks after my last pin of test. I figure of E2 was a little high, but wasn't sure if a number like that would actually affect me so much. Thanks again
No worries. Go and get your prolactin levels checked asap. If these are too high you may have libido issues. Likewise if they're too low (from too much caber) then this can cause libido issues. My sense is your issue is going to be prolactin related but only blood work will tell you this. Good luck.
My first assumption would be prolactin also. The estro is on the high end of normal and is exactly where I would want it to be if it was me since having estro elevated slightly is more beneficial to building mass. Get that prolactin checked before you start messing around with your ai dose.
I think your estro is too high. I would up the aromasin or pick up another ai such as adex. Maybe the aromasin is underdosed. The fact that the symptoms kicked in week 6 suggests the estro buildup being the cause. That's the simplest answer in my opinion.
That definitely makes sense. Do you think it would be best to up Aromasin to 12.5 ED instead of EOD? To me that makes more sense than adding something else like adex
That makes sense. I would take it ed and hopefully you will find that sweet spot where sex drive and morning wood are back. At that point, you can back off. I am more familiar with adex on cycle and a lil worried that your asin is underdosed which is why I recommended maybe switching. I've tried both snd feel like I can better control myvestrogen with adex. I use the aromadin during pct. With the provi and asin, i feel like you shouldn't have any estro problems. Lowering the deca to test ratio and maybe bumping up caber , as suggested above, will help get you back to normal quicker too.
GnarkillSmart man you are
Thanks! I'm just stating the obvious, but we'll have to wait and see how he bounces back. Sometimes the simplest answer is the best answer. I'll be curious to see how he makes out