+ 1 need advice from you guys
Ok I've been mia for a minute but I really need your guys advice.
Some stats
Height - 5'8"
Weight - 178/180
Body Fat - 8/9%
29" waist
I just took my first shot on my cycle. Hear me out before you don't give me advice. (Some will want to leave after I put what I'm using)
I'm going to be running test prop, tren ace and npp
I know every top dog in these forums suggest to stay away from tren. Me reason is because I do classic physique and I'm going to be at the LA FIT EXPO coming up with my team.
I'm doing 100mgs of each eod.
This is my 5th cycle
Last cycle was test E, Mast E and Anavar
I used this to shred up I was about 210 lbs with 11/12% I got down to 180 pretty lean. I don't want to lose this classic physique look. So my goal with this cycle is to get up to 187-190 solid.
I've hear good and bad things about stacking them together. So would love your guys opinion and how I can control it.
Ps. It's been a while since I've posted so if I'm missing any necessary info ask away. Thank you for you advice
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How long you looking to run this? And im assuming you're looking for 7-8 lbs of muscle in the timeframe
If I do them together like this layout I'm looking for 8 weeks since they are short esters. It'll be bad longer then that right?
Yes, I have my diet and training already laid out for me.
Or I was thinking of doing half of test prop/npp and then run test prop/tren ace
Your not hitting the stage and doing a meet and greet right?
150mg prop eod, 600mg 8day
100mg npp eod, 450mg
Choice of ai and prolactin control on hand.
Fill out stay tight, get the carbs in the right places. Take advantage of the npp and push your poundages up. If still tight 2-3 weeks out from the event you could consider an oral depending on your look at the time.
Save the tren for comp, really no need and less headache with fairly comparable results.
You look good bro so the diet is there apparently. What training style you been using the past few months?
I'm doing a meet and greet at the la fit expo then a show on June 17 Classic Physique
I was thinking of adding masteron or anavar close to the event. Finishing touches
Love the layout you've told me! Going to give it a go with that.
Yea diet has been on check. Took 3 days straight off last week and cheated but this week I'm back on it. Pump has been insane
Lately I've been doing both, heavy/low reps and moderate/12-15 reps with drop sets
I like doing 2 exercises heavy then rest more reps. Helps me stay thick and still shape up and tighten up.
Is this a cycle for your competition?
This is to look my leanest and meanest for the la fit expo at my sponsors booth that weekend.
For my comp I want to add winstrol at the end.
Last show I did test and mast, finished up with anavar. I got 3rd
Dump the npp and switch it out for mast p
Ran this cycle before, had very good results but had caber on hand to manage the prolactin. had a friend who run this cycle without caber and he had fluid coming from his nipples (he found it fascinating) and end of the cycle was shut down really badly...
I haven't been long on here but...
I would agree with bigmuprh as if you haven't run it previously, you may want to consider NPP/PROP/MASTERON, or TRENA/PROP/MASTERON.
Tren E makes me have severe mood swings. Tren A is manageable for me. + its a short easter, so if you cant tolerate the sides, it be out of your system quite quick.
Hope this helps.
Thank you for your advice bro. Really looking into everything everyone is saying for this cycle. Will probably do half cycle term of test/npp then switch it to test/tren
unreal89Stacking 2 19 nors why and at your size? Go ahead and add nolvadex on cycle while your at it
What's wrong with stacking them at my size?
Would nolva help prevent the sides? I always keep it on hand.
unreal89With that kind of reply maybe you need to research instead of jumping into compounds you know nothing about.. Just sayin
I know about them. But like I stated I've heard good things about stacking them and bad. Just looking for advice or how to control the sides.
unreal89Im done here .. Goodluck
Hey sorry if I made it seem like I don't know. Thank you for your time and the adding Nolvadex advice.
unreal89Nolvadex would cause more prolactin.build up thats why im saying you know nothing but you will figure out when you grow tits
You are 100% incorrect. There is no medical proof to back up your claim.
unreal89Thanks for your post .. Still your 100% incorrect as it does happen
Has it ever happened to you and do you have any bloodwork from that cycle? Or did you read it on the internet and now you are repeating it as fact? I can tell you for a fact that I ran nolvadex during a Test Deca Tren cycle and I had zero problems. I know that everyone responds different to different things, but I also know that there is zero medical proof of nolvadex causing a spike in prolactin when running a 19nor.
In the first 7-10 days tamoxifen actually acts as an estrogen in males, estrogen stimulates/ aggrevates pgr, pgr is already stimulated/ awaken by the nandrolones, so essentially double trouble can occur, running a good da can prevent these dramas, nolvadex is a serm not an ai or anti estrogen, it just occupies certain receptors therefore blocking estrogen from attaching, particuarly behind the nipples.
Could you please post a link to the study stating tamoxifen acts as an estrogen in males in the first 7-10 days. From what I've found tamoxifen's agonist/antagonist action is related to the cell structure it's acting on.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9045319
Excessive estrogen does in fact raise progesterone levels in men, add in a steroid that raises progesterone and you can have some serious issues. The problem with running a dopamine agonist is that they do absolutely nothing to lower progesterone, they do lower prolactin though.
Nolva is archaic even for pct unless you're running a Boston Lloyd routine. Nolva is not a number one choice for an a.i. and that's around the board so why even suggest it
Please elaborate on your first sentence I'm not quite sure what you are getting at. I never said that nolvadex was an Ai, much less a good choice as one.
unreal89Obviously you know more than anyone else lets leave it there applause..
What's your input in this cycle bro. Like I said I'd be adding caber to help with the sides. Finally found a good source for it and a great price
There are a couple things I don't like about it.
1. This cycle has the potential to shut you down hard and you may never bounce back from it.
2. You've never run Tren and Npp together, and you are proposing doing this to get ready for an event. I would stick with something that has worked for you in the past.
3. I would run my Tren higher than Test and I would pin it every day.
4. I wouldn't run Caber unless I had bloodwork showing elevated prolactin out of range.
Cool, thank you
I was thinking of doing cabergoline
.5mg 2x per week. Will give it about 2 weeks to see how it works and take it from there
If you've tried this i would love input bro, thanks
bigmurphGeo wtf I thought you weren't running gear if you're the same geo you were 24 last time we talked now you've ran 5 cycles
I just looked back at our messages bro. Thought I told you I have. I've always had mad respect for you since day one. Any advice from you would be more then amazing
Dam it's been a while bro. I'm 26, hope all is well
bigmurphThe first question would be have you in previous cycles ran npp and tren not together but do you have experience with both?
I would still say pick tren or npp throw in mast prop and test prop.
If you want to grow use the npp if you're looking to cut up for your competition use the tren.
I just can't see why you would need to stack the 2. Im sure like you said you will get good results from stacking the 2 but its the pct and getting your natural test levels back that would be my concern.
Also the amount of prolactin your body will produce on both will be a problem.
Stick with one or the other i personally would rather use npp.
Hit me up good luck at your comp