posted Mon, 10/03/2016 - 17:48
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+ 1 My next cycle,any suggestions?
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I will be running a test e,Npp cycle.looking like so.
1-4 test p 100mgs eod
1-14 test e 300mgs 2xw
1-13 Npp 100mgs eod
1-14 12.5 aromasin Ed
Have caber and will take 1mg every 5 days
Pct 2 weeks after last jab, will be aromasin 12.5 Ed 5 weeks
Nolva 40/40/40/20/20
I can't take clomid it messed with my eyes when I used it,can't have that at all.im a iron worker so my eyes are pretty important.any suggestions to add to cycle,as well as the pct?
Thanks
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If you can't run a full-blown PCT with all the necessary compounds I sure wouldn't be going anywhere near a 19-nor, unless you want to say HELLO to TRT for the rest of your life.
Post BF% (then post an updated unidentifiable pic, if you don't know it)
In the link above you said you were too old for npp...What's up?
Stick with a Test base with TP kicker/taper and rework your plan....get something right, bro....you're confusing me...
Also, if Clomid causes eye blurriness then research Toremifene...HCG is mentioned down below...that will help with lutenizing hormone.
+2 for coming here and posting before cycling...
where are your pre cycle bloods????
torem is a great suggestion. the pct I ran with nolva and torem was the best pct I've had, no emotional swings, kept gains and felt great all around. everyone is different and most do best with clomid and nolva but for me torem and nolva would be the way to go.
Hey shiva,thanks man.im gonna get the toremifene in place of the clomid.i hope it works as good for me as it did you.
I'm just against the clomid of myself,I had the worst time during my pct earlier this year.cant do that vision shit again with it.im walking around on beams all day,was not cool at all.
I feel ya bro, clomid gives me emotion problems as does nolva. the two combined is a complete shit show for me. it seemed like the torem took the edge off and helped actually balance the sides from the nolva. I cnat explain why in terms of science I just know it works for me.
here is a write up someone did a while back, I followed a similar protocol. https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/toremifene-p...
I highly recommend you find PHARMA torem, I don't want to list the manufacture of it in open forum though because its frowned upon. there is only one pharmaceutical corp that makes it who is reliable. if you look through some of the top sources you will find someone who carries it in stock. if you have a hard time and honestly cannot find what I'm talking about shoot me a friend request and I can give you a hand.
Hey man what's up,I did say I was to old for it,only from other members talking.to be honest I just want to run one with more then just test only.i thought about eq but I really don't want to be on for 16-18 weeks to get the full affect of it.
That cycle in the link was from the beginning of this year,which went well.my body fat was 9% my weight is at 208lbs at the moment.I have never been about to pack on fat,it just doesn't happen,believe me I tried.
The cycle I'm asking about now I haven't started I won't be starting it til nov-dec. I'm just pre-planning atm.
I will have blood work done before I start,I do care about not fucking myself up.
I will read up on the toremifene,thank you.
Brotha b VERY careful with the 19 nor compounds,....that was a rough road for me to recover from, believe me!..I'm a bit older than you and even tho we aren't over the hill ( just yet ), the risk reward factor just wasn't worth it...defiantly something I will not do again!...took over 4 months to "recover" in my case. The dreaded deca dick got me even with a good test / deca ratio, caber , estro in check, the whole 9 yards,....my kept gains were minimal simply from the lack of energy to workout properly, and maintaining the diet to support the new weight/muscle went out the window pretty quick as well...was shut down hard, and feel lucky that I eventually got straightened out...tbh a nice test e, provi cycle produces better results and a much easier pct/ recovery, at least at my age anyway..this is just my opinion and experience, .....hope this helps you make a wise decision..good luck
I've been reading about the proviron it's sounds like it would be a good addition.....more free test plus a estrogen blocker.i am kinda thinning in the hair dept. but honestly I don't give a shit! Lol
I will drop the Npp idea,I was just itching for something different to add to this cycle to see what it may do different.all my cycles have been just test e with a prop kicker/taper.
It's tough though seeing and reading about these compounds and not wanting to try something else.fuck I still have a jug of dbol from rp I never used....impulse buy! I thing I WILL do next summer is a primo cycle,I wanna see what the hype is all about. Thank you for your thoughts man.
+1 for accepting advice and constructive criticism.
on a side note, I wouldn't think about proviron in terms of blocking estro. its main benefit is lower SHBG, this gives more free test but can ALSO free up bound estro. what I'm saying is don't bank on it lowering estrogen or you will be in a bad spot with extra estro floating around and potentially a higher amount of free estro.
I have adex on hand if needed and aromasin I will be taking right out the gate till the end.thanks for the heads up on the toremifene needing to be pharma. I have plenty of time to grab the proviron and toremifene before I start,wouldn't even consider starting til I have everything.
Rod Buster?
Structural,no rod busting here.
Eyes arent important for a Rodbuster. Just a strong back and forearms.
JoneDoeEhats your goals???? What's your diet gone to be???? How are you gone to be training??? How can someone help when they have no idea what you want to do..
I'm going for bulk,as for my diet I have that down,I eat every 3hrs,on cycle I take in around 5000-6000cals a day.i don't have any issues with my workouts or diet.the place I wanted some help is with the cycle.thanks
Testrogen_PropC...I don't know that you should end a 14 week cycle with just Tamoxifen for PCT brother. You would probably be fine and your body will eventually normalize, but if you want to keep as much of those cycle gains as possible afterwards, you should really be using Clomid IMO. Even if it's at half the normal dose.
I'll try it man.i was thinking maybe if I take it in the evening I could possibly sleep through the sides I was getting.i just can't deal with that shit happening again like that,it kinda freaked me out.
Clomid is administered two times per day. Half the dose in the a.m. and the other half in the p.m. Nolvadex is administered in the p.m. And, if you use exemestane in your pct, then it is administered two times per day once in a.m. and once in p.m.
Testrogen_PropC...I think that's a good idea, try taking it before bed or after dinner etc. And maybe start with half the normal dose and taper up then back down. The reason I say that is because every drug that has made me feel off, I've noticed it's not as bad if I start low then taper it up so your body gets used to it. It's not optimal starting at a lower dose of course, but it's better than not using Clomid at all for sure
Caber has a half life of 3 days so most people take it .5 twice a week. So your math isn't wrong, just spread out the dosage.
Ok man sounds good,so that pct should be ok without the clomid?maybe some hcg at the beginning of pct? Thanks for the reply ppg.
Hcg should be run the last couple weeks of a cycle to "jump start" and help turn your natural test production on. I used clomid in my pct but that's been a while because I'm on trt now. So maybe a more pct experienced bro can jump in on the pct area.
GnarkillYou dam iron workers think us laborers r your bitches lol jk I do a ton of iron workers shit with them mainly on bridges I wish I got your fuckers pay I'm doing the work lol
Lol,no bridges for me only building bro. And hey it takes all of us to get the job done.
GnarkillLol sure does brother last bridge I was on I ran a rivet buster all day long my arms fell like I ride a dirtbike all day and a horse kicking me in my forearms haha