My next cycle
I was planning a mass cycle. I never ran more than 900 mgs of anabolics per week. Now I never run cut cycles because the way my body works is I can cut very easily and fast. So here is my mass cycle.
It’s either
500 mgs of sustanon a week. Inject every other day. 16 weeks
400 mgs deca a week. 16 weeks
Or
30 mgs dbol a day for 4 weeks
400 mgs deca a week 16 weeks
500 mgs test. Cypionate a week 16 weeks
I just started taking 75 mgs a week of test cypionate so I won’t be doing pct.
Now the purpose of dbol is a kickstarter. Same reason for the sust.
Now I was wondering if I should run for 20 weeks and use masteron for the last 4 with Anavar. I never ran a cycle with more than 2 compounds at a time. This would be the heaviest cycle I ever ran. I don’t plan on running anything like this again. So I gotta make my food count. I bought a bigger chest freezer. I spent a ton of cash on food. I want this one to count. I wanna gain the most.
My goal in this is the most mass possible then cut. Or should I run a mass all the way then run a cut cycle after
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Fuck yeah bill. My last blast started at 500 test e / 500 deca / 350 mast e / orals and inj orals here and there. I gained some quality size all over and felt great throughout.
Anecdotally I feel wank on nandrolone without a DHT in there, be it proviron or mast, preferably the latter. @Tbone69 explained the science to me a while back and a lot of other lads have similar findings. Always worth keeping them in the stash.
AnonJust like makwa was explaining, test/nor/dht is very symbiotic. I haven’t re read the exact science lately but from what I remember the reason why you feel better on mast is because being a dht it’s already reduced by the 5a reductive enzyme? So test has to go through the whole process while masteron is free to bond faster, as it’s already a dht.
It made a significant difference in every cycle I’ve ran, 3-400 is what I’ll run with a Nor. I’ve implemented it in a “cruise” and felt amazing. However if you are balding or will be…..well…it’ll be time to face the music. Also your prostate can suffer especially if your genetically prone to prostate problems.
I’m not a doctor, and it hasn’t ever happened to me and I could be wrong but that is my understanding. I have no issues with hair or prostate genetically so I may be biased as well. Also Mast E can be pricey, you should use a good brand to be sure it’s actually masteron dosed correctly.. same with anavar nowadays
Im already bald lol. I was bald a few years before starting gear. But thank you. And I have enough masteron to run the whole time. I have a brand that has been around for 7 years. I am just waiting for the dbol to start but I have everything else. Nolvadex and exemastane. Test deca and mast. I might just start and forget the dbol and run it in another cycle. Haven’t decided yet
Wondering if I should drop the oral and run the mast deca and sust. What do you think About running the masteron from week one all the way to the end with the test and deca?
AnonMast e the full cycle, you’ve been around a while and if you do bloodwork to be sure your prostate isn’t an issue you’ll be well off at 300/week.
It’s definitely a mood improver. Use some GH too if you can afford it!
Have you ran mast before mate? You could try deca by itself to gauge how you react but I would run it with mast or proviron.
Nandrolone can effect you in the same way lads talk about Tren, shit gets weird quick
I have ran all of them just not at the same time.
Keep us informed big man, best of luck!
Sounds like you are getting the food part in order. That is what is going to make or break your cycle, don't be to worried about compounds. Test/19nor/mast is a classic bulker though,.
Here are my thoughts. I would add in some low dose mast e. 300mg is plenty. That way you are hitting the most receptor pathways with a test base, 19nor and dht. It is a classic because of the synergy of the compounds. It just plain works great when you eat right.
If you are going to go with sust and pin EOD, which I would highly recommend with sust, then you might as well go with NPP vs Deca. You need to pin the NPP essentially uOD so why not pair it with the sust pinning schedule. It will hit you quicker and get the cycle rolling.
If going with test c then just match the 2x/wk pinning schedule with Deca. Works great that way.
Both would be fine cycles with a Dbol kickstart but I prefer NPP over deca. It just works quicker, drops out quicker, hold less water, easier to adjust doses on the fly if needed, etc. It is just more versatile and I look better using it. Deca for some reason also jacks my BP whereas NPP doesn't. Obviously I am biased towards NPP but don't get me wrong Deca can be fantastic too. 6 of one and half a dozen of the other with Deca vs NPP. Roll with what you like or have in your stash.
I am on a similar cycle right with NPP which you can see in the cycle log section.
I have a 6 Vials of npp. Can I use the NPP and the fast esters of the sust for a kickstart for the cycle instead? Or will I make more gains with dbol
If you want a kicker than use the dbol. Gets messy trying to kick with NPP/Sust and then trying to transition over to deca if that is what you are thinking. Stick with either deca or sust for the cycle. Kick with dbol regardless. Won't need to run to the NPP for 20wks though. Should hit your goal way before that. Deca I probably would just because it takes so damn long to really get going.
Will do thanks. If my appetite goes down I’ll just drop the dbol.
Thats an extended period of time to run a 19nor, just make sure to have levels checked. I’d perhaps cut Deca to 14 weeks but keep Sust the same.
Long esters in the sust are going to take just as long as the deca to clear so no need to drop Deca if running sust. Running Test c I would drop it two weeks earlier. Sust/Deca I would drop both 4wks out if running a PCT and run a finisher of Prop/NPP for last our wks to make transition into PCT easier. Not running a PCT here but that is the way to go if someone can still PCT.
Understood, I was just referring to the duration of Deca in general. 12 weeks max for me if I ever decide to run a 19 nor again.
RustyhookerSust matches deca long esters and eod keeps it simple. Mast in there can be a nice choice too, just depends on enjoyment of pinning
It is nice only having to pin 2x/wk.
RustyhookerYessir!!
I have enough mast for 14 weeks too. What do you think about anavar for the last 4 weeks?
RustyhookerDeca sust is a bulker.....kinda think var will kill appetite and slow the bulking.
So I’ll save the anavar for my cut cycle and this will be just a mass cycle. I do t want anything that kills appetite
I can't run Dbol. Best appetite suppresent ever made for me.
You know what. Last time I did it my appetite was fucked too. Plus I was always hot as fuck. I couldn’t cool down. I’m gonna run the sust amd deca. I wanna experiment with mixing the NPP and deca to eat it in my system faster. I see some sources selling a nandrolone in a mix of esters. I think they called it nolt.
There happens to be a source you and I know that has that blend.
RustyhookerI love var but ya, kills my appetite. If it didnt then imo its the perfect oral. Strength, pumps, recovery....downside is heartburn and kills appetite.
For me I like short esters I used to do them for 10-12 weeks I like to be in control a little just in case I need to lower something or add other shit for side effect or just out right stop. Love NPP. Since you are running a Long cycle TEST C and DECA looks fine and idk about 20 weeks that's pretty long but that's just me. Now if you want to run an oral to kick start drol is something I love but the sides suck and its toxic! But DBOL is good if its something you like. Now you have some cycles under your belt so If it was me I would run this.
weeks 1-14 TEST 500 Deca 400 Mast E 400.
weeks 1-4 drol or dbol take care of of your liver
Also you say you have some cycles under your belt So I hope you have Caber on hand.
Your looking for size and strength I think this will do. And make sure diet is on point!
Yes I have Pfizer cabergoline still. I have a pic of it under my pics for my gear. About ten 1 mg pills left. I have run deca and NPP and dbol just not all at the same time.
Anyone can write a cycle and just go with it. Provide more information about yourself. Height, weight, BF how many cycles do you have under your belt? can't suggest anything without more information.
Probably 12 cycles. Don’t know body fat % I have very visible abs. Always lean. My profile says 198 but now I’m192. I haven’t changed it yet. 5 foot 9.
I have a hard time gaining mass. Not saying I don’t gain mass because I do but I gotta eat a lot more than most.
I’ll be 46 years old in a few months so this will probably be the last cycle I run over 900 mgs.
Edit. It was 10 cycles. Had to go through my notes. And two of those were short cycles